[jlisenbe]

Because I have to question whether any (including me) Christian should be engaged in such a waste of time, as here.

So you question yourself as well?

You act as if every thread is a separate topic. All "Christian" topics (in this forum) are of the same thread

That's because every thread IS a separate topic. Good grief.

I don't have time to explain the Body of Christ. Chances are your Carnal mind and body wouldn't pick up on it anyway.

It's this kind of arrogant garbage that makes you irritating. You have no idea, but you don't want to admit it.

[waltero]

That's because every thread IS a separate topic.

Not when it falls under the Christian category. It's the same message. You're not trying to convince somebody of this or that... you're referring to a life. Not your life.

That is because if you believe - that every story that is based on true life, comes from the same book. You really don't understand, do you? I think it has more to do with the fact that you don't want to understand. And your ability to manipulate the facts to fit your Position.

Good grief.

Why always so smug?

Do you think that you might be lacking in spiritual vitality or maturity? You should be shocked by your explicit carnality.

You are only here to Argue your position...that is all.

[Wondergirl]

Not when it falls under the Christian category. It's the same message.

Under Christianity, there are many threads, each with a different topic. Here are recent ones:
1. A movie, "The Encounter"
2. The Book of Acts
3. The Book of Revelation
4. Eutychus
5. Hell
6. Fundamentalism
7. Heaven
8. Forgiveness
9. Universalism
10. Gabriel

The questioners are looking for information and even opinions on a variety of topics.

There is no "same message".

[jlisenbe]

If you want to believe that Pauls body did not exist and that all threads are of the same topic, then go for it.

Well said, WG

[jlisenbe]

That is because if you believe - that every story that is based on true life, comes from the same book. You really don't understand, do you?

I realize you value these statements and consider them to be true, but you are unable to connect it with any teaching in the Bible, and until you can, it's just your opinion. I am not swayed by your opinions.

Sunday I preached on humility. I began with these five passages. I did so because I wanted the people to know that the idea of God blessing the humble did not come from me. It was not merely my opinion.

Luke 18:15. everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Is. 66:2. I will look favorably on this kind of person: one who is humble, submissive[a] in spirit, and trembles at my word.
Matt. 5:5. Blessed are the humble, for they will inherit the earth.
Psalm 149:4. For the Lord takes pleasure in his people; he adorns the humble with salvation.
1 Peter 5:5 All of you clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, so that he may exalt you at the proper time.

[waltero]

That is because if you believe - that every story that is based on true life, comes from the same book.
you are unable to connect it with any teaching in the Bible.

We have the Old Testament and we have the New Testament...they are both one and the same story, one and the same life.

This all started when I was talking down toward apologetics. Okay, can we get past all that?

I will try to use this discussion as an example of how your Christian Values, Christian thinking, Christian speaking, and "life" interact with everything Christian and the life that is in you.

While talking about apologetics, I mentioned how somebody here was brought back by apologetics. Then JL responded - "I have never said that nor has anybody here (here; meaning this particular thread) ever said such a thing."

Okay, at that time I did not understand that you meant "nobody here," as in this particular thread/topic. If you are able to see where it is I'm coming from, this (apologetics) topic has been covered over a long period of time under many (it takes just one) different topics.

So, when I mentioned (in an earlier topic) why I believe the Bible is true, JL Mentioned that he feels the same way (understood). Later in that same conversation, another person mentioned how apologetics brought him back. Then we get a response from JL... believing as if all three of us were agreeing on the same thing. I left it (the topic) at that time because I didn't want to ruin their moment. So here I am again, entered another Topic and Apoligetics comes up. I mentioned something having to do with apologetics...something along the lines of - apologetics and the truth of the Bible. I mentioned somebody here saying apologetics brought them back. While JL believes and has a heartfelt understanding with the previous (in a different thread) poster. Being that you were of the same mind, what does it matter if I mention somebody here (as in this topic) or another thread/topic? There is no here in the topic, here in the thread... there is only here in the forum. And you know as well as I do that we have covered many different topics in posts that have nothing to do with the original poster's subject matter.

So now we are discussing the apostle Paul and a particular verse. There was a particular time in Paul's earthly life when he did not know if he was in his body. If his body mattered don't you think he would know if he was in his body? It is apparent, he didn't know nor did he care. So why did he mention it (I'll let you figure that one out)? For all practical purposes, Paul's flesh didn't (matter) exist!

So when I mention Paul and his body (we are clearly talking about a particular time and place), you take it as me saying Paul's Body didn't exist at all. On one hand, you say I, as in you were talking here (as in this particular thread), and on the other hand, you act as if talking about the course of Paul's entire life. I'm saying the same thing that Paul has been trying to explain to all who believe. Put off the flesh and its desires. Walk in Spirit and in truth.


You once told me I should shorten my posts. How about letting me be me?

[jlisenbe]

I mentioned how somebody here was brought back by apologetics. Then JL responded - "I have never said that nor has anybody here (here; meaning this particular thread) ever said such a thing."

Actually, as I recall, my response was to your claim that WG or I had carried on a discussion about God marrying Mary or Adam being binary. "What gets me is when the two of you go off on some cockamamy discussions about God married Mary, Adom was non-binary." I think DW made the apologetics comment you are referring to.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showpo...&postcount=232

Walter, you seem like a sincere guy and I am glad you post here. I don't always understand what you are trying to say, but it's good that you put your ideas out there. I hope you will continue. I've decided to make a serious effort to try and be a little more civil and humble in our discussions.

So now we are discussing the apostle Paul and a particular verse. There was a particular time in Paul's earthly life when he did not know if he was in his body. If his body mattered don't you think he would know if he was in his body? It is apparent, he didn't know nor did he care. So why did he mention it (I'll let you figure that one out)? For all practical purposes, Paul's flesh didn't (matter) exist!

That is certainly a more common-sense explanation. Thanks for the clarification.

[waltero]

So now we are discussing the apostle Paul and a particular verse. There was a particular time in Paul's earthly life when he did not know if he was in his body. If his body mattered don't you think he would know if he was in his body? It is apparent, he didn't know nor did he care. So why did he mention it (I'll let you figure that one out)? For all practical purposes, Paul's flesh didn't (matter) exist!
So when I mention Paul and his body (we are clearly talking about a particular time and place), you take it as me saying Paul's Body didn't exist at all. On one hand, you say I, as in you were talking here (as in this particular thread), and on the other hand, you act as if talking about the course of Paul's entire life. I'm saying the same thing that Paul has been trying to explain to all who believe. Put off the flesh and its desires. Walk in Spirit and in truth.

Am I still in question here? please explain. There should be no here and then when it comes to Christian life.

Actually, as I recall

It started much earlier with my statement about WG and you (I can't find it so I apologize. I was wrong). But That really doesn't matter anymore. The above post is my entire take on the entire situation.

Every story that is based on true life, comes from the same book.

Can you not see this to be true? I suggest you think about it and believe it to be true.
Think about it - All Christians share the same life (true life).

[Wondergirl]

The "Adam binary/non-binary" confusion probably arose from a post I made on July 17, 2022, in the "Transgender Women" thread:

"Adam and Eve used their God-given free will to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. And then the universe became subject to endless possibilities, including the fact that both sex and gender are now on a spectrum."

And in another post on the same date, in the same thread:

"Things happen to the fetal brain and body during pregnancy. Some of those things involve estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. Since God's perfect binary system was changed and rewritten by Adam and Eve [via free will], gender identification is no longer what was originally intended. Humans, animals, insects, and even plants are now subject to non-binary possibilities."

[jlisenbe]

Can you not see this to be true? I suggest you think about it and believe it to be true.
Think about it - All Christians share the same life (true life).

I know you believe it. I also know that, "Every story that is based on true life, comes from the same book," is a somewhat incoherent statement. What do you mean by, "Every story that is based on true life?"

Since God's perfect binary system was changed and rewritten by Adam and Eve [via free will],

There is nothing in the Bible to support such an idea.

[Wondergirl]

There is nothing in the Bible to support such an idea.

Read the first three chapters of Genesis.

[jlisenbe]

Read the first three chapters of Genesis.

I've done that many dozens of times. Perhaps you could quote the SPECIFIC passage where it teaches that, "God's perfect binary system was changed and rewritten by Adam and Eve [via free will]."

I will patiently wait.

[Wondergirl]

God created Adam, a binary male, and Eve, a binary female. Adam and Eve used their God-given free will to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Mother Nature became subject to endless possibilities that included transgenderism in insects, birds, animals, plants, humans.

[jlisenbe]

Since you failed utterly the first time, I'll give you a second chance.

Perhaps you could quote the SPECIFIC passage where it teaches that, "God's perfect binary system was changed and rewritten by Adam and Eve [via free will]."

I will patiently wait.

You can add quoting the specific passage where it teaches that, " Mother Nature became subject to endless possibilities that included transgenderism in insects, birds, animals, plants, humans."

I'll wait patiently for that one as well. In vain, most likely.

[Wondergirl]

God created Adam, a binary male, and Eve, a binary female. Adam and Eve used their God-given free will to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Mother Nature became subject to endless possibilities that included transgenderism in insects, birds, animals, plants, humans.

If God had not given Adam and Eve free will, they would have essentially been robots, simply doing what they were programmed to do. God created Adam and Eve, as well as the rest of sentient beings on Earth, to be “free” beings, able to make decisions.

[jlisenbe]

Your third and final opportunity. "Thus sayeth Wondergirl" is not sufficient.

1. Perhaps you could quote the SPECIFIC passage where it teaches that, "God's perfect binary system was changed and rewritten by Adam and Eve [via free will]."

2. You can add quoting the specific passage where it teaches that, " Mother Nature became subject to endless possibilities that included transgenderism in insects, birds, animals, plants, humans."

I'll wait patiently for these two as well. Alas, in vain, most likely.

[Wondergirl]

Athos was correct. You're a literalist. I wish he were here.

[jlisenbe]

He couldn't help you. You would be much better served to simply be honest and admit that you have a completely unsupported theory. Instead, you try to be evasive by suggesting that I read the first three chapters of Genesis. At least acknowledge that your ideas are not to be found in the Bible for they are certainly not.

[Wondergirl]

Then how do you account for non-binary in plants, insects, animals, birds, humans?

[jlisenbe]

God created Adam, a binary male, and Eve, a binary female. Adam and Eve used their God-given free will to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Mother Nature became subject to endless possibilities that included transgenderism in insects, birds, animals, plants, humans.

Textbook example of a non-sequitur.

Then how do you account for non-binary in plants, insects, animals, birds, humans?

Give me an example that is not the result of a genetic abnormality.