[jlisenbe]

the adults around me were like you are, very close-minded in that there are only two genders -- with the male being dominant and the female being submissive.

Your approach is basically this. "I've run out of compelling arguments, so I will insult you and lie about your beliefs." It would be nice if you would stop.

At any rate, we were discussing TG when you claimed, "A child realizes something's off usually by age four. That's when it hit me." Whatever it was from the alphabet soup that you claim hit you, it would not have resulted in you dating boys in high school and being, as you have said, "...the cute PK, in general a desirable female, a goal to be bragged about by a MALE."

So now what was it again that hit you at age four???

[Wondergirl]

So now what was it again that hit you at age four???

The realization that I am not a submissive frilly-dress, bouquet-of-flowers, huggy-kissy female.

[jlisenbe]

The realization that I am not a submissive frilly-dress, bouquet-of-flowers, huggy-kissy female.

Still find it strange that someone of that description considered herself to be, "...the cute PK, in general a desirable female, a goal to be bragged about by a MALE." At any rate, I have no idea why you would think that "revelation" that came to you at age four is somehow relevant to a discussion of when people begin to realize they are TG.

[Wondergirl]

That's the age when the TG people I know also realized something was not right.

[jlisenbe]

The age when kids think they are TG varies. The stories of kids who thought they were TG only to decide later they were not are practically endless.

[Wondergirl]

That's why family counseling, individual counseling, and gender counseling by reputable and well-educated and canny professionals are so very important before anything is blocked or chopped off.

[Wondergirl]

"...the cute PK, in general a desirable female, a goal to be bragged about by a MALE." At any rate, I have no idea why you would think that "revelation" that came to you at age four is somehow relevant to a discussion of when people begin to realize they are TG.

That wasn't the conclusion. I am not TG and never imagined I was. The revelation was from a male pov. My own revelation fit and still fits another letter in that "alphabet soup" (as you call it).

[jlisenbe]

".The only problem is these nut job so called psycho-logist doctors who have themselves gone insane and say with a straight face that a child can be born into the wrong body."

[Wondergirl]

Nope. There are well-trained, legit professionals to help families and individuals with this.

Isn't discussing topics with another AMHD member (instead of just with tomder) a lot of fun??!!

[jlisenbe]

Of course! However, I think his statement is far closer to the truth than yours.

[tomder55]

The realization that I am not a submissive frilly-dress, bouquet-of-flowers, huggy-kissy female.

in other words you did not fit the stereotype so you thought something was wrong ? Nothing was wrong based on that . If you thought there was it was in your head reenforced by cultural and peer pressure.

[Wondergirl]

Please do some honest research. Look up dysphoria. Talk or message with someone who has walked that walk.

[jlisenbe]

Coming from someone who is never able to find or present support for her arguments, that is quite some advice. Want to take a guess as to what my reply will be?

[tomder55]

My sisters were "tomboys " and did not fit the 'submissive frilly-dress, bouquet-of-flowers, huggy-kissy female.'

They were in all things that matter female and they would kick the a$$ of someone who said otherwise.

[jlisenbe]

And I assume your tomboy sisters went on to become grown...women?? Feel pretty safe in assuming that.

[Wondergirl]

And I assume your tomboy sisters went on to become grown...women?? Feel pretty safe in assuming that.

Hmm, tomboys? Aren't all females female???

[tomder55]

in the tranforner ideology that is true .But every "tomboy "
I ever was associated with turned out to be magnificant women . ..... and I coached plenty of young women in sports . It's amazing to me that nonconformity is seen as something that needs a chemical or surgical remedy , Wasn't that something the Nazis advocated ? I am actually shocked that the radicals think that someone not conforming needs a chemical or surgical remedy.

[jlisenbe]

And so, as it turns out, the sex chromosomes have the final word? Well how about that? Who would ever have guessed???

[Wondergirl]

What's your definition of a tomboy, tom?

And so, as it turns out, the sex chromosomes have the final word? Well how about that? Who would ever have guessed???

Dysphoria will become your new enemy.

[jlisenbe]

Let God arise and his enemies be scattered.