[Wondergirl]

God, for instance, does not "accept the person" as they are.

Not a Muslim who loves others and gives from his heart?

[jlisenbe]

Nope. Of course you will refer to the famous verse, "If you will be a really good person, love others, give from your heart, and serve a false god, then you will be accepted!"

[Wondergirl]

You are wrong.

[jlisenbe]

What? You couldn't find that verse???

[jlisenbe]

I don't mean to be ugly to you. You just surprise me sometimes with your suggestion that "good" people are acceptable to God. If you have read your NT, and I suspect you have, then you know that is not true. There really is no such thing as good people.

[Wondergirl]

Your god is too small.

[jlisenbe]

Your god is an invention of your own desires and not the God of the Bible. I would seriously encourage you to have the Bible inform your beliefs and not the other way around.

[jlisenbe]

You have to explain how your "good people" idea fits into the clearest explanation of the Gospel in the Bible, found in Romans 3.

20 For no one will be justified in his sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin comes through the law. 21 But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, attested by the Law and the Prophets. 22 The righteousness of God is through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe, since there is no distinction. 23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as the mercy seat by his blood, through faith, to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his restraint God passed over the sins previously committed. 26 God presented him to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so that he would be just and justify the one who has faith in Jesus.

Now if you want to put forward a person as being right with God, then you must show how they have expressed their "faith in Jesus Christ".

[jlisenbe]

And unless I miss my mark, this core statement by Paul of the foundation of the Gospel, the grand summation of nearly three chapters, will be referred to here as "cherry-picking".

[Wondergirl]

And unless I miss my mark, this core statement by Paul of the foundation of the Gospel, the grand summation of nearly three chapters, will be referred to here as "cherry-picking".

You read my mind!

[jlisenbe]

It never fails. "I don't like what this text teaches, so I'll just ignore it and foolishly refer to it as 'cherrypicking.' After all, I don't know any way of refuting it, so let's just pretend it doesn't exist."

A day is coming, dear WG. A day is coming.

[Wondergirl]

And I can't wait!!! Oh, the fun we'll have in the celestial kitchen!

[waltero]

The two of you should really stop speaking with each other. Round and round it goes, where it stops nobody will ever know.

It has nothing to do with Apologetics. Nothing to do with Unconditional love. Nothing to do with Original Sin. Nothing to do with the Trinity, or anything else you might come up with! None of which is found in the Bible.

The Church did not write the Bible!

[jlisenbe]

I've actually tried to block WG, but she is an admin on this site and thus cannot be blocked. It gets very tiresome.

[Wondergirl]

The Church did not write the Bible!

The church fathers were influential Christian theologians and writers who established the intellectual and doctrinal foundations of Christianity.

[Wondergirl]

The two of you should really stop speaking with each other. Round and round it goes, where it stops nobody will ever know.

There are maybe five regulars active on this site. Discussion doesn't have to be inflexible. And no matter what I post, I'm told I'm wrong.

[jlisenbe]

I would agree that the church did not write the Bible. That is plainly true.

WG is correct in that we are down to to faithful few here.

It has nothing to do with Apologetics. Nothing to do with Unconditional love. Nothing to do with Original Sin. Nothing to do with the Trinity, or anything else you might come up with! None of which is found in the Bible.

Not sure what your point is here. The doctrine of the trinity is found all over the NT.

[Wondergirl]

I would agree that the church did not write the Bible. That is plainly true.

And I didn't say it did.

[jlisenbe]

And I didn't say it did.

True enough, and I never suggested you did, but your reply to the remark certainly seemed to support the idea. "The church fathers were influential Christian theologians and writers who established the intellectual and doctrinal foundations of Christianity."

[Wondergirl]

Please stop with the maybes and seemed tos and other (deliberate?) misunderstandings.