[jlisenbe]

Does that explain why 99.9 percent of legal gun owners never murder another person?

[paraclete]

It's the 0.1% who are the problem, hidden in plain sight, and you don't get it, if they are deprived of weapons the other 99.9% are safer and don't get murdered

[jlisenbe]

It's the 0.1% who are the problem, hidden in plain sight, and you don't get it, if they are deprived of weapons the other 99.9% are safer and don't get murdered

"You don't get it." Is that the reason I was the one who brought it up and not you? Well at any rate, how do you go about identifying the 0.1% prior to them becoming part of the 0.1%, because afterwards it's kind of a no-brainer? Or do you really think we allow convicted murderers to keep their guns in prison?

[paraclete]

"You don't get it." Is that the reason I was the one who brought it up and not you? Well at any rate, how do you go about identifying the 0.1% prior to them becoming part of the 0.1%, because afterwards it's kind of a no-brainer? Or do you really think we allow convicted murderers to keep their guns in prison?

don't be rediculous, you know we are not speaking of the prison population they are part of the 99.9%. As I said earlier you need the thought police or failing that, then reduction of opportunity, we know it works, it is a proven solution. What is a solution is a no tolerance policy, you take a life, yours is forfeit, summary execution, you know the Judge Dredd solution

[jlisenbe]

As I said earlier you need the thought police or failing that, then reduction of opportunity, we know it works, it is a proven solution.

You are speaking of taking guns from everyone in order to get guns out of the hands of the 0.1%. As to "thought police", that would need a lot of explaining.

[Wondergirl]

You're awakened at 3 a.m. by noises and low voices in another part of the house. Burglars! It's pitch dark. Your locked gun safe is in the basement. (Or maybe it's in your bedroom....) You sleep naked. Now what?

[jlisenbe]

None of those senseless conditions apply to me other than the possibility of being awakened at 3 a.m. by burglars. Wifey and I have put a lot of thought into that and have a plan ready for action. My only hesitation is the thought of do I want to kill someone who is evidently not a Christian and completely unprepared for coming judgment. And that observation is entirely serious. They would have to push hard for me to pull the trigger.

But let's do one better than that. You are awakened at 3 a.m. by a burglar and you have no means of protecting yourself. Before you can call the cops, they break in your bedroom and you are at their mercy. Now what? They rape your daughter and your are helpless to stop them. They put a round between your husband's eyes, beat the garbage out of everyone, and take what they want. And you are left thinking, "Why didn't we have some way of protecting ourselves?"

[Wondergirl]

None of those senseless conditions apply to me

I don't care if they don't apply to you. I set the scene.

[jlisenbe]

Simple answer. Don't allow such a scene to take place. Putting a gun intended for self defense in the basement would just be stupid, and especially putting it in a gun safe in the basement. So for your scene you are basically asking, "If you did something dumb like this, what would you do?"

[Wondergirl]

Simple answer. Don't allow such a scene to take place. Putting a gun intended for self defense in the basement would just be stupid, and especially putting it in a gun safe in the basement. So for your scene you are basically asking, "If you did something dumb like this, what would you do?"

I added that the gun safe could be in your bedroom.

Do you unlock the gun safe and then get dressed, or just forget the clothes 'cause they take too long to put on? And what about the total darkness? Maybe the burglars are using flashlights, so it will be easy to locate and shoot them. Or maybe those noises and low voices are coming from your wife and son who are trying not to awaken you. Or you can use your cell phone to call 911 and sort it all out when help arrives. (Meanwhile, get dressed.)

[jlisenbe]

Fo you unlock the gun safe and then get dressed, or just forget the vlothes 'cause they take too long to put on? And what about the total darkness? Maybe the burglars are using flashlights, so it will be easy to locate and shoot them. Or maybe those noises and low voices are coming from your wife and son who are trying not to awaken you. Or you can use your cell phone to call 911 and sort it all out when help arrives. (Meanwhile, get dressed.)

Well, you have a lot of "ifs". The best thing to do, as I have said, is have a plan in place beforehand to eliminate as many ifs as possible. In our case, for instance, we are upstairs at night. The stairs are the logical place to take a stand, so I yell out, "If you come up the stairs, I will shoot." That takes care of a family member sneaking in. We will all be aware of our plan. And having been told how to handle weapons, I would not fire until I was certain of my target and had issued multiple warnings.

Now how about the scenario I presented to you, which is the one which liberal dems have inflicted, for instance, upon Chicago. What would you do? (Hint. I already know you will not answer lest your beliefs face examination.)

[Wondergirl]

Now how about the scenario I presented to you, which is the one which liberal dems have inflicted, for instance, upon Chicago. What would you do? (Hint. I already know you will not answer lest your beliefs face examination.)

What scenario? I'm a registered Republican, btw. And I'm from NC and western NY, have never lived in Chicago.

[jlisenbe]

(Hint. I already know you will not answer lest your beliefs face examination.)

And I was right again! You are altogether too predictable.

I'll repeat it, but I will not act like I believe your plea of, "What scenario?"

But let's do one better than that. You are awakened at 3 a.m. by a burglar and you have no means of protecting yourself. Before you can call the cops, they break in your bedroom and you are at their mercy. Now what? They rape your daughter and your are helpless to stop them. They put a round between your husband's eyes, beat the garbage out of everyone, and take what they want. And you are left thinking, "Why didn't we have some way of protecting ourselves?"

[talaniman]

I find it both fascinating and amazing the second amendment all or nothing crowd thinks it okay to let anyone have a gun as easily as possible, but spend so much time making it harder for some to vote, which is to say the least inconsistent to me. Even more amazing how well you prepare for your worst fears with a gun under your pillow and have little empathy for those whose worsts fears are realized and suffer the desperation of very traumatic events all to common to many. Be it dragged from your home by xenophobic racists and lynched or murdered by cops making a tragic callous mistake, or some pissed off loony having a really bad day and shoots up a public place.

I guess we all react to our own fears differently be they perceived or real, and desperation and terror drives us to some pretty ugly selfish and dangerous places, but no excuse for bad irrational behavior.

Wish yall can feel me on that because over time it can be frustrating, unbearable and overwhelming, as well as terrifying.

[Wondergirl]

And I was right again! You are altogether too predictable.
I'll repeat it, but I will not act like I believe your plea of, "What scenario?"

You've tossed so many "scenarios" at me over the months, I've lost track of your challenges. Plus, I'm old and forgetful.

But let's do one better than that. You are awakened at 3 a.m. by a burglar and you have no means of protecting yourself. Before you can call the cops, they break in your bedroom and you are at their mercy. Now what? They rape your daughter and your are helpless to stop them. They put a round between your husband's eyes, beat the garbage out of everyone, and take what they want. And you are left thinking, "Why didn't we have some way of protecting ourselves?"

Oh, yes, I DO have a means of protecting myself. I'd tell them I'll make them a snack, maybe coffee and cookies, and write them a generous check to save them the trouble of searching for treasures (of which we have none in the house).

Once I get to heaven, I will ask God to allow me to melt down all the metal in guns and other weapons of war and mayhem.

[jlisenbe]

Oh, yes, I DO have a means of protecting myself. I'd tell them I'll make them a snack, maybe coffee and cookies, and write them a generous check to save them the trouble of searching for treasures (of which we have none in the house).

I had hoped for a serious response, but I suppose any kind of response is a step forward. You plainly don't understand the kind of people you'd be dealing with who would break into a house at 3 in the morning, but good luck with your idea.

[Wondergirl]

I had hoped for a serious response, but I suppose any kind of response is a step forward. You plainly don't understand the kind of people you'd be dealing with who would break into a house at 3 in the morning, but good luck with your idea.

It is serious, and it works!

[jlisenbe]

It is serious, and it works!

In your dreams. Go to the inner city of Chicago and ask those poor people how that would work for them. It's funny to you, but it's not to them.

[Wondergirl]

In your dreams.

Try it!

[jlisenbe]

Nah. I'll let you be the one who gets the snot beaten out her. Should it happen, it won't be funny on that day. I sincerely hope it doesn't since you are altogether unprepared.