[paraclete]

That's already been said, so we can agree on that. But you neglected to note that, "By the 1870s all the fertile areas of Australia had been appropriated, and Aboriginal communities reduced to impoverished remnants." Being reduced to "impoverished remnants" says a lot. "Reduced" indicated a large reduction in population, and "impoverished" says poverty, poverty, poverty, so neither Australia nor the U.S. has anything to boast about in their treatments of native populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...n_of_Australia

please note nowhere in this account are there details of military expeditions.

There is nothing to say that before colonisation the natives were not impoverished by european standards. It is very subjective to make and rely on such statements. Such accounts are rhetorical since the natives had no concept of property, poverty or possessions as the europeans did. They were a hunter/gatherer society and when resources were depleted they moved on

[jlisenbe]

That's all fair to say, but if you are trying to suggest that there was any nobility or honor in your treatment of the Aborigines, then I'll have to completely disagree with you. The fact that their numbers were reduced from several hundred thousand to a several tens of thousands speaks volumes.

[Wondergirl]

The fact that their numbers were reduced from several hundred thousand to a several tens of thousands speaks volumes.

And many of them died from diseases that had been introduced to the continent by the Europeans.

[jlisenbe]

And many of them died from diseases that had been introduced to the continent by the Europeans.

Similar to what happened to the Aztecs, I suppose.

[paraclete]

That's all fair to say, but if you are trying to suggest that there was any nobility or honor in your treatment of the Aborigines, then I'll have to completely disagree with you. The fact that their numbers were reduced from several hundred thousand to a several tens of thousands speaks volumes.

It is doubtful the numbers reduced as much as you say, there was a decline in settled areas. As I have said before regrettable things happened. The colonists, from the outset, were under instruction to have good relationship with the natives. Unfortunately, this did not persist in all areas due to cultural differences and misunderstandings, but you need to remember that the circumstances of many of the early settlers being convicts, weren't much better than the natives. Disease was responsible for a great many native deaths. The British, who were supposed to be enlightened demonstrated little enlightenment as you witnessed for yourselves

[jlisenbe]

regrettable things happened.

I guess that's one way of putting it. I imagine the Aborigines would use a little stronger language. Were the Brits responsible for the natives not getting the vote until 1962?

[paraclete]

I guess that's one way of putting it. I imagine the Aborigines would use a little stronger language. Were the Brits responsible for the natives not getting the vote until 1962?

As a Student of Australian history you would be aware that we didn't cut our ties to Britain fully until the second half of the twentieth century. The aborigines are not mentioned in the constitution which expressly forbad the parliament to make laws in respect of race. During the first half century this nation saw itself as British. It wasn't until WWII that we realised we were alone and Britain could not be relied upon.

The aborigines, in response to various international rabble rousers, have become increasingly militant and may I remind you that it wasn't until the second half of the twentieth century that your own nation stopped discriminating against blacks, so that is a rocking pedestal you have mounted

[jlisenbe]

may I remind you that it wasn't until the second half of the twentieth century that your own nation stopped discriminating against blacks, so that is a rocking pedestal you have mounted

I am on no pedestal. I have said several times that our treatment of the native populations was very bad. I am only pointing out that Australia does not occupy the moral high ground in this issue, and to portray your own behavior as "regrettable" is the understatement of the year. Both our policies and yours were deceitful, dishonest, and murderous.

[Wondergirl]

Why past tense? Discrimination and even murder not only of indigenous peoples but also of Blacks (whom the whites brought here to be slaves) and other poc is still going on as we speak.

[jlisenbe]

You mentioned minorities. Are you aware that the greatest killer of black Americans by far is liberal dem promoted abortion. The greatest perpetrators of murder in the black community, by far, are...other black Americans. Government endorsed killing, other than abortion, is basically non-existent. The rare cases that occur are very properly denounced and the killer is prosecuted.

[Wondergirl]

You mentioned minorities. Are you aware that the greatest killer of black Americans by far is liberal dem promoted abortion. The greatest perpetrators of murder in the black community, by far, are...other black Americans. Government endorsed killing, other than abortion, is basically non-existent. The rare cases that occur are very properly denounced and the killer is prosecuted.

Thus, that gets the white guys off the hook. Those minorities are killing themselves.

[jlisenbe]

What a strange response. I guess it’s what is said when you cannot refute the data. Just say something racial in the grand tradition of liberal dems.

[Wondergirl]

What a strange response. I guess it’s what is said when you cannot refute the data. Just say something racial in the grand tradition of liberal dems.

It's exactly what you said but less grandiosely -- Black Americans are killing themselves by getting abortions and by murders/shootings of each other in the Black communities.

[jlisenbe]

Black Americans are killing themselves by getting abortions and by murders/shootings of each other in the Black communities.

Exactly correct. Now that's not ALL I said, but you come back with no data, and only a weird racial statement about white people getting off the hook. That, of course, is strictly make believe. It's a shame that you liberals love so much to avoid the truth, and thus prevent the real problems from being addressed.

But if you have data that refutes what I said, then by all means post it.

[Wondergirl]

Exactly correct. Now that's not ALL I said, but you come back with no data, and only a weird racial statement about white people getting off the hook. That, of course, is strictly make believe. It's a shame that you liberals love so much to avoid the truth, and thus prevent the real problems from being addressed.

But if you have data that refutes what I said, then by all means post it.

YOU said it; I didn't. "The greatest perpetrators of murder in the black community, by far, are...other black Americans."

[jlisenbe]

Yes. 90% of black murders are carried out by other black Americans. Are you questioning that???

[Wondergirl]

Yes. 90% of black murders are carried out by other black Americans. Are you questioning that???

You questioned why I had no data (for what?? you made the statement) and said I'd made a weird statement about whites getting off the hook. If, as you say, Blacks are killing each other via abortion and guns, how do white people fit into that equation?

What data was I supposed to refute? You had it all wrapped up and tied with a big bow.

[jlisenbe]

White people could start with stopping abortion. That would be the equivalent of 300,000 George Floyd’s a year. Are you ready to join in that movement, oh white person? Is it only words with you?

[Wondergirl]

White people could start with stopping abortion. That would be the equivalent of 300,000 George Floyd’s a year. Are you ready to join in that movement, oh white person? Is it only words with you?

Why only white people stopping abortion? How?

(George Floyd's what? Why possessive?)

[jlisenbe]

Forget it. You’re back to your usual silliness. These issues are not jokes to me.