[Athos]

Update on Trump's military comments.

So far Trump's disgusting comments on US soldiers have been confirmed from different sources by the Associated Press, the New York Times, and - are you ready for it? - FOX NEWS! Yes, FOX NEWS, Trump's own channel where the correspondent confirmed them from independent sources.

Trump himself is the source for the McCain comments which Trump is now "clarifying". Problem is, the idiot's on video which much of the world has seen and hasn't forgotten.

[jlisenbe]

You kind of left out some important details, didn't you?

Two sources who were on the trip in question with Trump refuted the main thesis of The Atlantic's reporting -- that Trump canceled a trip to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery, which is at the site of Belleau Wood, an important World War I battle, because he believed the dead soldiers to be "losers."
The White House had said at the time the decision was made because of poor weather for flying Marine One and the fact that the cemetery was too far a distance for a motorcade to drive.
One of the sources who refuted the Atlantic's reporting is not a fan of Trump. Both sources said that Trump was upset about not being able to go to Aisne-Marne and said they had never heard Trump refer to war dead at Aisne-Marne or in the battle of Bellau Wood as "losers" or "suckers."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-didnt-cancel-visit-to-american-military-cemetery-in-france-over-disdain-for-slain-veterans-sources-say

So your primary contention is blown away by the very story you referred to.

[jlisenbe]

A Biden gaffe compared to the thousands of lies by the dufus...REALLY?

There have not been "thousands of lies", and Biden's remark sadly reflects on either his mental state or his willingness to say virtually anything to pander to black voters, which is insulting beyond belief. He evidently believes that black Americans are so dumb that they don't know who invented the light bulb. Well, he's wrong about that. I guess the next comment will be about the first American in space, Alan Shepard, who was actually a latino/black woman.

[talaniman]

The dufus doesn't pander to white people's fears for votes? Or play down Russian propaganda AGAIN to smear his opponents?

[jlisenbe]

The Russia story is dead and rightfully so.

so a call for law and order is only directed at whites?? Well ok then.

[talaniman]

The Russia story is dead and rightfully so.

so a call for law and order is only directed at whites?? Well ok then.

The dufus LIES about the Russian cyber propaganda efforts AGAIN, and the law and order fear mongering IS aimed at whites.

[jlisenbe]

So black Americans have no interest in law and order? I bet they do.

the Russia story has been shown to be fake news. It’s over. Democrat propaganda.

[Wondergirl]

He evidently believes that black Americans are so dumb that they don't know who invented the light bulb.

You apparently didn't read my earlier post and the link I provided. A Black man (Granville T. Woods*) probably invented the telephone for which Bell got credit. And another Black inventor (Dr. Henry T. Sampson) created the technology that gave us the cell phone.

*https://www.biography.com/inventor/granville-t-woods

[jlisenbe]

Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb, and for the life of me I don't see why we are even discussing it. If you want to advance the idea that black individuals have many accomplishments, then I'm with you. JB was wildly wrong about the light bulb. Surely you are not expecting an agreement about that, are you?

[tomder55]

John Bolton who was on the trip and clearly no fan of Trump made it clear that Trump bumped the trip because the Navy recommended a no go ;and he agreed with that call . He also said he never heard the President disparage troops.

The President is accused of saying troops that went to Vietnam were suckers . I wonder how that compares to JF Kerry testifying in Congress that our troops in Vietnam were the equivalent of Genghis Khan. They defended JF Kerry when he said that if someone doesn't get a good education ,they would be stuck in Iraq . Isn't that the same as saying those troops that went to Iraq were suckers and losers ?

Never heard the Dems complain when Sen D+ck Durbin called US troops Nazis, and like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge. When our troops returned from Vietnam ,instead of getting a hero's welcome ,they were spit on and called baby killers by the left .

[talaniman]

Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb, and for the life of me I don't see why we are even discussing it. If you want to advance the idea that black individuals have many accomplishments, then I'm with you. JB was wildly wrong about the light bulb. Surely you are not expecting an agreement about that, are you?

He was not wildly wrong about Latimer's contribution to both Edison getting his patents nor his developing what is now the modern lightbulb as historic fact says so, though JB
was inaccurate to that detail.

John Bolton who was on the trip and clearly no fan of Trump made it clear that Trump bumped the trip because the Navy recommended a no go ;and he agreed with that call . He also said he never heard the President disparage troops.

Okay Bolton didn't heat it, and the copter was grounded and the dufus didn't want to risk the drive. Hard to buy he listened to his advisors, but I suppose it could happen.

The President is accused of saying troops that went to Vietnam were suckers . I wonder how that compares to JF Kerry testifying in Congress that our troops in Vietnam were the equivalent of Genghis Khan. They defended JF Kerry when he said that if someone doesn't get a good education ,they would be stuck in Iraq . Isn't that the same as saying those troops that went to Iraq were suckers and losers ?

Not even close.

Never heard the Dems complain when Sen D+ck Durbin called US troops Nazis, and like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge. When our troops returned from Vietnam ,instead of getting a hero's welcome ,they were spit on and called baby killers by the left .

I was there during those times and watched Nixon get swept into office on an end the war platform, and a southern strategy, and Ali's conversion and being stripped of his title, the Olympics, Kent State and the whole mess. The whole country was full of all kinds of civil unrest and long haired freaks, and images of Nam that turned stomachs.

[jlisenbe]

He was merely 100 percent wrong.

[tomder55]

Not even close.

you are right . What Kerry said about US troops was worse .

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

[talaniman]

We were disgusting in Nam.

[Athos]

You kind of left out some important details, didn't you?

Many apologies for the delay in responding. Another member told me about it. The reason for the delay is that I have personally blocked your posts for the reasons listed below.

You don't contribute much to the conversation. You often key on the inconsequential in order to lead away from the essential point. Remarkably similar to Trump who uses the tactic when the discussion gets too close to home.

A good example is the mail-in voting. He is obsessing on this to divert attention from his disastrous handling of the COVID-19 crisis which has already caused 188,000+ American deaths and for which Trump is indirectly to blame for over 100,000 of them due to his inaction.

Another example is his frenetic response to questions about Russia by loudly declaring at a press conference yesterday that China is the real culprit, not Russia. This attempted diversion will not work since he is making it extremely obvious that he has something to hide re Russia.

But that's only two examples. Here's my reply to your post above.

You kind of left out some important details, didn't you?

No, I didn't leave out any important details. Keep reading.

Two sources who were on the trip in question with Trump refuted the main thesis of The Atlantic's reporting

Why is it ok for you to name anonymous sources, but not ok for me to do the same thing? No problem, I can tell you who they were. Pompeii and probably Bolton. In any case, sycophants supporting Trump are hardly reliable sources for anything Trump does.

As for my sources, they have been independently confirmed by at least 4 other media - the ones I already mentioned (the Associated Press, the NY Times, and Fox News) and now, CNN. There may be more, but I think 4 is enough to establish the truth. I suspect more will be forthcoming in the days ahead. Note how Trump bashed General Kelly in a pre-emptive move to head off whatever he may reveal.

One of the sources who refuted the Atlantic's reporting is not a fan of Trump.

A source "not a fan of Trump" is probably Bolton.

So your primary contention is blown away by the very story you referred to.

Not so! And you get a big fat Pinocchio for that statement. Thank you so much for posting this link. It is your link and it clearly reveals the falsity of your statement.

https://www.lafoxnews.com/politics/t...ns-sources-say

Reading the ENTIRE story - not cherry-picking what you like - here is what it said:

[I]But a former senior Trump administration official who was in France traveling with the president in November 2018 did confirm other details surrounding that trip, and had a different account of the canceled cemetery visit.


The source said that during the trip, the president was not in a good mood, angry at something the French president had said and questioning the need to go to two cemeteries. Trump apparently was warned he'd get bad press for canceling. The source also said there was no security reason not to drive to the cemetery, which was about 40 miles from Paris.

“The president drives a lot. The other world leaders drove to the cemeteries. He just didn’t want to go,” the source said.

According to the former official, Trump also had said of the Vietnam War “It was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker.”

Separately, this former official also heard the president say of American veterans: "What’s in it for them? They don’t make any money?" Multiple sources have confirmed Trump said something to this effect during a 2017 visit at Arlington cemetery, as described in the Atlantic article.

Further, regarding accounts of the president’s July 4th military parade planning, the source said that during a planning session at the White House after seeing the Bastille Day parade in 2017, [B]the president said regarding the inclusion of wounded veterans, “That’s not a good look” and “Americans don’t like that.” (This is Trump's notorious comment about amputees)

The above is taken directly from the link YOU posted! You accused me of "kind of left out some important details"? Who's the real culprit now?

FOX News confirmed the Atlantic article, then said it was not true, then reconfirmed it, then false again, and finally confirmed it. A roller coaster of good contending with evil.

I acknowledge your right to post whatever you want. I retain the right to personally block whatever you write which I will resume after finishing this post - although I may unblock you from time to time as needed.

[tomder55]

Atlantic Mag is majority owned by Laurene Powell Jobs ;widow of Steve Jobs . She also happens to be a major contributor to Quid's campaign .

Among the tech billionaires giving the legal maximum, or close to it: Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz; philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs; eBay’s first full-time employee, Jeff Skoll; Zynga founder Mark Pincus; and media moguls Barry Diller and Jeffrey Katzenberg. If you scanned the Biden Victory Fund’s report, every few lines you’d find another marquee name who forked over hundreds of thousands of dollars.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/7/16...-steve-ballmer

Billionaire philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs will assume greater control of the legendary Atlantic magazine as it seeks a new president/CEO and longtime Atlantic Media chairman David Bradley prepares to step away from management duties, Atlantic officials told POLITICO.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...tlantic-072210

[Athos]

Atlantic Mag is majority owned by Laurene Powell Jobs ;widow of Steve Jobs . She also happens to be a major contributor to Quid's campaign .


https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/7/16...-steve-ballmer



https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...tlantic-072210

What has any of that got to do with issue on the table?

[tomder55]

referring to you comment #7 . Yes the Atlantic is a biased publication .

[talaniman]

Everybody has a bias, so what's new or unusual. It's an election year, expect BIAS! I'm ready for new critters in the swamp myself.

[tomder55]

not everyone is a left wing billionaire who has strong anti-Trump hatred and owns a publication or a media outlet to express their biases . The left wing media bias is not a myth. Knowing the biases up front allows me to consume a balanced news diet .