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jlisenbe · Apr 29, 2020, 04:57 AM

While some have returned the money and a few more intend to, unclear whether the others will and some are actively defending their right to tax payer money.

We live in the age of liberal philosophy which tells us that we all have a right to taxpayer money. Even worse, we all have a right to borrowed money. This "Alice in Wonderland" approach to the federal budget is eventually going to be our downfall.

Good luck trying to prying a dollar from a capitalist cold greedy hands.

So have you sent yours back? Wouldn't it be something if everyone who received a check but really didn't need it actually sent the check back?

talaniman · Apr 29, 2020, 05:16 AM

It's conservatives giving the money away, and you didn't send your deficit funded tax cut money back did you? So unless you admit to adopting the liberal philosophy, I trust you didn't send your stimulus check back either. How dare you blast liberals while making such a choice. That's utter hypocrisy isn't it?

Do as you say do, not as you do, and why would you just assume a liberal like myself doesn't NEED it?

jlisenbe · Apr 29, 2020, 05:23 AM

Why should businesses send their checks back if you get to keep yours? You don't need yours anymore than they need there's. I'm just asking you to be consistent with your own ideas. My idea is that most of this 2.2 trillion dollar vote buying scheme was completely unnecessary. For me, I haven't received a check. I haven't decided yet what to do with it. I might put it into a college fund for my poor coming grandchild so he/she will at least have some light at the end of the tunnel.

BTW, our daughter sent us the ultrasound recording of the baby's heartbeat two days ago. What a thrill that was, and how blessed that little child is to be in a family which cherishes it.

talaniman · Apr 29, 2020, 06:02 AM

You mean repubs are buying votes? They did pass it on a partisan basis so blast them not liberals who opposed it. In addition I did specify BIG biz in my reference to scarfing up money for small biz, so again you see no hypocrisy in your position and continue to point out my inconsistencies...DUDE please, that dawg don't hunt! I got no bones at all with what you do with your money and grand kids is the greatest investment of time money love and support there is in my book and share your excitement for your coming new addition. Heartfelt congrats on that with plenty of well wishes for you and yours.

Kids and grandkids are true blessings by any measure. LOL, wait for the GREAT grandkids to show up, God willing and the creek don't rise.

jlisenbe · Apr 29, 2020, 06:06 AM

Are you trying to say that Pelosi and the dem leadership did not support the bill? The vote was 363-40 in the House. It was unanimous in the Senate. That's "partisan"??? What???

If it's wrong for businesses, then why is it OK for you?

This is our first grandchild. We're excited. I just wish they would move back here.

talaniman · Apr 29, 2020, 08:45 AM

Let me correct your false facts...AGAIN

The House passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act 227-201, almost entirely on partisan lines. Thirteen Republicans voted against the bill, while 190 Democrats voted against the tax reform legislation.

You flunked your homework!

If it's wrong for businesses, then why is it OK for you?

I did specify the businesses it was wrong for based on the published and known intent of the bill. See my previous posts. As for me, I'm a tax payer and they intended the money for tax payers. You too.

My greatest claim to fame was being designated baby sitter for a few years while everybody was working. OOOOOOOOOOHH what a rush! Missed a lot when I was working. To have that second chance is a blessing that I cherish forever.

jlisenbe · Apr 29, 2020, 03:39 PM

You flunked your homework!

If you had bothered to look at the date of your article, you would have seen that it was from 2017. The bill we are referring to , which is responsible for all of these checks being mailed out and was the one you are very plainly talking about in your third paragraph, was voted on in March of this year, and the vote was exactly as I described.

So who actually needs to do his homework???

talaniman · Apr 29, 2020, 03:42 PM

Thought we were talking tax cuts...

jlisenbe · Apr 29, 2020, 03:44 PM

I can't imagine how, but it's all good.

talaniman · Apr 29, 2020, 05:26 PM

Went back and looked and we did talk tax cuts, but it moved to the present. There was little doubt the lock down was necessary, and even less doubt people who had to stay off work through no fault of there own would need assistance through it. While I have advocated a strong safety net, we seem to be in a perfect storm of event, a pandemic in an election year and we got caught wholly unprepared and paid a terrible price as we teeter on depression and deaths.

So my bad!

jlisenbe · Apr 29, 2020, 06:59 PM

even less doubt people who had to stay off work through no fault of there own would need assistance through it.

Well, that sure doesn't include the two of us, and yet we're getting checks. It doesn't include the great majority of Americans, and yet they are getting checks as well. It's just looney.

Don't worry about it. I've had my shares of misfires.

talaniman · Apr 29, 2020, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Well, that sure doesn't include the two of us, and yet we're getting checks. It doesn't include the great majority of Americans, and yet they are getting checks as well. It's just looney.

You can give yours back if you want, but if I get one, they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands.

jlisenbe · Apr 29, 2020, 07:50 PM

I do understand. I wouldn't recommend they try it! 8D

talaniman · Apr 30, 2020, 06:52 AM

The dufus said I could have it so it must be okay right? Got my letter yesterday. Everybody supposedly gets a check for economic relief during this difficult time.

Not a good time to snoop around my mailbox.

jlisenbe · Apr 30, 2020, 07:34 AM

The Congress said you can have it.

A day of reckoning is coming for all of this crazy "borrow and spend" approach to governance.

Wondergirl · Apr 30, 2020, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The Congress said you can have it.

A day of reckoning is coming for all of this crazy "borrow and spend" approach to governance.

What would have been your solution?

talaniman · Apr 30, 2020, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The Congress said you can have it.

A day of reckoning is coming for all of this crazy "borrow and spend" approach to governance.

They will just have to sell more of those treasury bonds, at interest, which is pretty low right now.

jlisenbe · Apr 30, 2020, 10:06 AM

What would have been your solution?

To have had a balanced budget for the past decades. They might have even wanted to have put aside an emergency fund. Better than that, we might want to have a more disciplined approach in who we vote for.

They will just have to sell more of those treasury bonds, at interest, which is pretty low right now.

Yeah. When you are in a hole, then keep on digging.

talaniman · Apr 30, 2020, 10:50 AM

I see no reason for a country to have a balanced budget ever, if they are fiscally responsible. Don't you think we have enough nukes to eliminate the military budgets? Looking back decades does no good. Spilt milk! Good luck electing the right people, that game is rigged.

Looks like we will just have to hit rock bottom, before we decide to make changes for the better.

jlisenbe · Apr 30, 2020, 11:58 AM

I see no reason for a country to have a balanced budget ever, if they are fiscally responsible.

Isn't that kind of like suggesting it's OK to be way overweight as long as you live a healthy lifestyle? I mean you can't say we are fiscally responsible when we are more than 25 trillion dollars in debt, can you?

Looks like we will just have to hit rock bottom, before we decide to make changes for the better.

I'm not going to go down that easy. Perhaps a great change could start with the two of us.