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jlisenbe · Feb 8, 2020, 04:22 PM

How about at the Super Bowl party? His wife and youngest son Barron were on each side of him, respectfully standing with right hand on heart, and solemnly singing along to the National Anthem. tRump? Oh, he was pointing and gestulating like a crazy man, then started to play crazy orchestra conductor. Then not long after was the Prayer Breakfast.... Everybody should have walked out in disgust.

I will take your criticism as legit as long as you are equally willing to be critical of Kapernick for failing to even so much as STAND for the national anthem. Are you willing???

I've read he can't name any book in the Bible, and his favorite verse is "an eye for an eye" -- actually part of the Code of Hammurabi, which predated the Bible -- NOT a verse in the Bible but mentioned by Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount, "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:38–39)

You've read all of this where? Have you also read that Obama prayed for an hour a day and had the book of Isaiah memorized? Yeah. I didn't either.

Obama took REPUBLICAN George W. Bush's economic disasters and turned them around. tRump is sailing on those breezes.

I have been willing all along to acknowledge that Obama managed to avoid disaster with the economy and had tepid growth during his eight years. Are you equally willing to acknowledge that, "Comparing the last 21 months of the Obama administration with the first 21 months of Trump’s, shows that under Trump’s watch, more than 10 times the number of manufacturing jobs were added?" Now I'm going to bet that what seems to be your bitter resentment of Trump and love of liberal ideology will prevent you from giving him the same credit that you fall all over yourself giving Obama, but hopefully I am wrong about that. Perhaps you will prove me wrong.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckde.../#30b894c25850

Wondergirl · Feb 8, 2020, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I will take your criticism as legit as long as you are equally willing to be critical of Kapernick for failing to even so much as STAND for the national anthem. Are you willing???

I would kneel right next to him if I could!

You've read all of this where?

Trump: "Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That's not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what's happening to our country, I mean, when you see what's going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us, and how they scoff at us and laugh at us. And they laugh at our face, and they're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking the health of our country. And we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you."

I have been willing all along to acknowledge that Obama managed to avoid disaster with the economy and had tepid growth during his eight years. Are you equally willing to acknowledge that, "Comparing the last 21 months of the Obama administration with the first 21 months of Trump’s, shows that under Trump’s watch, more than 10 times the number of manufacturing jobs were added?" Now I'm going to bet that your bitter hatred of Trump will prevent you from giving him the same credit that you fall all over yourself giving Obama.

Sail along on Obama's breezes, Mr. Trump!

jlisenbe · Feb 8, 2020, 04:45 PM

Trump: "Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That's not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what's happening to our country, I mean, when you see what's going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us, and how they scoff at us and laugh at us. And they laugh at our face, and they're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking the health of our country. And we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.

So once again, where did he say any of this? "I've read he can't name any book in the Bible, and his favorite verse is "an eye for an eye."You gave a long rambling discourse in which you proved neither statement. Your interpretation of that quote is thoroughly dishonest. Trump was asked if he had a favorite Bible verse. His answer was, "I think many, so many." So on what planet do you think you managed to zero in on only one favorite verse when he plainly said he had "many"? ONE is not MANY. Boo! Be honest for goodness sake.

But I will certainly acknowledge that Trump's knowledge of the Bible is likely limited. But do you really think that your liberal hero, Mr. Obama, knew any more? You think that his support of abortion on demand and gay marriage came from the Bible?

I would kneel right next to him if I could!

Then don't be a hypocrite and be critical of Trump. You're worse than him by far.

Sail along on Obama's breezes, Mr. Trump!

About what I figured.I think that hatred, resentment, and ideological fanaticism are terrible traits. They keep a person from being fair and well-balanced.

paraclete · Feb 8, 2020, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

About what I figured.I think that hatred, resentment, and ideological fanaticism are terrible traits. They keep a person from being fair and well-balanced.

This is true, and no one could say the arguments here are well balanced, rather they are dependent upon partisan views and no amount of biblical quotations and interpretation will alter that fact

talaniman · Feb 8, 2020, 05:48 PM

I think that hatred, resentment, and ideological fanaticism are terrible traits. They keep a person from being fair and well-balanced.

Then why do you and the dufus engage in such filth?

Originally Posted by paraclete

This is true, and no one could say the arguments here are well balanced, rather they are dependent upon partisan views and no amount of biblical quotations and interpretation will alter that fact

That's what I said! 8O

Wondergirl · Feb 8, 2020, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So once again, where did he say any of this?

Billionaire real estate mogul and Republican frontrunner Donald Trump has said while it's "not a particularly nice thing," the Bible verse about "an eye for an eye" is among his favorite scriptures.

In an interview with WHAM 1180AM, Trump was asked to name his favirite verse in the Bible. He responded that he liked "many" verses, but one of them was "an eye for an eye."
https://www.christianpost.com/news/d...or-an-eye.html

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump revealed on Thursday that his favorite bible verse is "eye for an eye."

Trump made the revelation during an interview with conservative radio host Bob Lonsberry on WHAM 1180 AM in Rochester, New York, who had asked the real estate mogul-turned-presidential candidate if he had a favorite Bible verse or story that "informed" his thinking or character.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dona...ry?id=38416270

Donald Trump said in a radio interview on Thursday that his favorite teaching in the Bible is the Old Testament punishment of an "eye for eye."

"Is there a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?" [was the question] asked [by] host Bob Lonsberry on WHAM 1180 AM.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...eye-for-an-eye

But I will certainly acknowledge that Trump's knowledge of the Bible is likely limited.

Bwahahahahaha!!!! LIMITED???

But do you really think that your liberal hero, Mr. Obama, knew any more?

Yes, without a doubt!!!

You think that his support of abortion on demand
and gay marriage came from the Bible?

Yes!!! And I betcha he'd agree with me that, if guys kept their pants zipped, there wouldn't be a problem.

jlisenbe · Feb 8, 2020, 06:08 PM

This is true, and no one could say the arguments here are well balanced,

Do you include yourself in that?

jlisenbe · Feb 8, 2020, 06:59 PM

WG, you do realize that you just posted a lot of text that categorically proves that "an eye for an eye" is NOT Trump's favorite text, but rather is one of his favorites? For instance, it says he liked "many" verses, but one of them was "an eye for an eye." "The Bible verse about "an eye for an eye" is among his favorite scriptures."

Also missing was any evidence that Trump knew no books of the Bible. As to Obama, you have no evidence that he knew anything about the Bible.

Yes!!! And I betcha he'd agree with me that, if guys kept their pants zipped, there wouldn't be a problem.

Yeah. I betcha he would, for what that's worth.

Wondergirl · Feb 8, 2020, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

WG, you do realize that you just posted a lot of text that categorically proves that "an eye for an eye" is NOT Trump's favorite text, but rather is one of his favorites? For instance, it says he liked "many" verses, but one of them was "an eye for an eye." "The Bible verse about "an eye for an eye" is among his favorite scriptures."

First of all, it's not a verse, nor a teaching. Second of all, FAVORITES??? Third of all, it's how he has run his life -- and still is. And Jesus said no, don't do this. Did tRump miss that part?

Also missing was any evidence that Trump knew no books of the Bible. As to Obama, you have no evidence that he knew anything about the Bible.

I didn't want to overwhelm you. Stay tuned.

Vacuum7 · Feb 8, 2020, 07:15 PM

Obama may or may not know books of the Bible, I don't know....Obama is not a dumb man by any means. I would venture to say Obama knows a lot about the Koran, and that is not a stab at Obama....he grew up, at least in part, in Indonesia and participated in a "Madrassa", where the Koran is memorized....probably had an indelible effect on him.

jlisenbe · Feb 8, 2020, 07:18 PM

First of all, it's not a verse, nor a teaching. Second of all, FAVORITE??? Third of all, it's how he has run his life -- and still is.

It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, [x]bruise for bruise." I don't know how else to explain this. He never said it was his favorite. The most you could say is that it is among his favorites. You know, it might be that Trump knows more about the Bible than you do! (kidding)

I didn't want to overwhelm you. Stay tuned.

That much is obvious. You've come up with zero, so I'm still staying tuned for any kind of answers. I feel very "unoverwhelmed". Many thanks!

Wondergirl · Feb 8, 2020, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Also missing was any evidence that Trump knew no books of the Bible. As to Obama, you have no evidence that he knew anything about the Bible.

When pressed a few days later in a Bloomberg TV interview, Trump declined to share his favorite Bible verses, saying: “I wouldn’t want to get into it. Because to me, that’s very personal.... The Bible means a lot to me, but I don’t want to get into specifics.” And when asked if he prefers the Old or New Testament, Trump responded, “Probably equal. I think it’s just incredible.”

A few weeks later [AFTER TALKING TO A CHRISTIAN SUPPORTER OR, MORE LIKELY, PAGING THROUGH A BIBLE], in an interview on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Trump expanded on his appreciation of the Bible:

"There’s so many things that you can learn from it. Proverbs, the chapter ‘never bend to envy.’ I’ve had that thing all of my life where people are bending to envy. Actually it’s an incredible book, so many things you can learn from the Bible and you can lead your life. I’m not just talking in terms of religion; I’m talking in terms of leading a life even beyond religion. There are so many brilliant things in the Bible.

The Bible, is special, the Bible — the more you see it, the more you read it, the more incredible it is. I don’t like to use this analogy, but like a great movie, a great, incredible movie. You’ll see it once it will be good. You’ll see it again. You can see it 20 times and every time you’ll appreciate it more. The Bible is the most special thing."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...ible_b_8912572

jlisenbe · Feb 8, 2020, 07:35 PM

Where in all of that clutter was there any evidence that "an eye for an eye" was Trump's favorite verse, or that he did not know any books of the Bible? You're beginning to sound desperate. At least it does seem that you have accepted that "an eye for an eye" is a text of the Bible AND a teaching of the Bible.

Wondergirl · Feb 8, 2020, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, [x]bruise for bruise." I don't know how else to explain this. He never said it was his favorite. The most you could say is that it is among his favorites. You know, it might be that Trump knows more about the Bible than you do! (kidding)

But that is much more complicated in Jewish law than what you are assuming by just seeing and reading the words. In any event, it's in the OT and doesn't apply to Christians.

jlisenbe · Feb 8, 2020, 07:55 PM

But that is much more complicated in Jewish law than what you are assuming by just seeing and reading the words. In any event, it's in the OT and doesn't apply to Christians.

I haven't assumed anything. I've said nothing at all about the meaning of the text. As a therapist, do you find it interesting that you have inserted your own assumptions about what you think I might believe? I have only said that it IS in the Bible. It does not apply to Christians on a personal level, but it is very much relevant as a principle of law.

I'm not suggesting Trump "knows his Bible" or that his life has been influenced by the Bible. I make no assumption that he is a Christian, but I don't care for people making false claims about him. I know of no evidence that Obama has ever made a confession of faith in Christ. He was a fan of abortion and gay marriage, and he lied whenever it suited him. Bash Trump if you want to, but please don't act like Obama or HC were candidates for sainthood.

Wondergirl · Feb 8, 2020, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I haven't assumed anything. I've said nothing at all about the meaning of the text. As a therapist, do you find it interesting that you have inserted your own assumptions about what you think I might believe? I have only said that it IS in the Bible. It does not apply to Christians on a personal level, but it is very much relevant as a principle of law.

Um, then what is this?

"It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye,"

I'm not suggesting Trump "knows his Bible" or that his life has been influenced by the Bible. I make no assumption that he is a Christian, but I don't care for people making false claims about him.

No false claims from me! He doesn't need me. He is his own worst enemy!

I know of no evidence that Obama has ever made a confession of faith in Christ. He was a fan of abortion and gay marriage, and he lied whenever it suited him. Bash Trump if you want to, but please don't act like Obama or HC were candidates for sainthood.

I said nothing about sainthood. And how did Hillary get into this????

"Barack Obama is a Protestant Christian. While in his twenties, Obama was involved with the Black churches. From 1992 until 2008, he was a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ—a Reformed denomination. Obama left it in the wake of the Jeremiah Wright controversy. Since 2008, he attends various Protestant churches, including Baptist, Methodist and Episcopalian churches." (Wikipedia)

Vacuum7 · Feb 8, 2020, 09:05 PM

W.G.: Obama also went to a Madrassa to memorize the Koran when he lived in Indonesia.....does that guarantee that Obama is a Muslim? NO! Obama goes to Christian Churches now....and that doesn't guarantee that he is Christian, either. There have been times in my life when I went to Church and I was eat slap up with sin! It really doesn't matter how you "act", what you say, or, even, what you know, why? What matters resided INSIDE OF YOU....THE OTHER STUFF DOES NOT MATTER....We shouldn't judge, because: Let he who is without sin caste the first stone.

Religion, any of them, should be on a personal relationship with God basis, not a venue for public displays.

Wondergirl · Feb 8, 2020, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Vacuum7

W.G.: Obama also went to a Madrassa to memorize the Koran when he lived in Indonesia.....does that guarantee that Obama is a Muslim? NO! Obama goes to Christian Churches now....and that doesn't guarantee that he is Christian, either. There have been times in my life when I went to Church and I was eat slap up with sin! It really doesn't matter how you "act", what you say, or, even, what you know, why? What matters resided INSIDE OF YOU....THE OTHER STUFF DOES NOT MATTER....We shouldn't judge, because: Let he who is without sin caste the first stone.

Religion, any of them, should be on a personal relationship with God basis, not a venue for public displays.

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. I'm judging??? I, a Lutheran, attended a Southern Baptist VBS one summer. And attended church with my Catholic neighbors. And was part of an ecumenical weekly neighborhood Bible class. One member was atheist. Oh my, I'm going to hell!!

paraclete · Feb 8, 2020, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Um, then what is this?

"It is a verse and is very much an OT teaching. It is found in Exodus 21. "23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye,"

No false claims from me! He doesn't need me. He is his own worst enemy!

I said nothing about sainthood. And how did Hillary get into this????

"Barack Obama is a Protestant Christian. While in his twenties, Obama was involved with the Black churches. From 1992 until 2008, he was a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ—a Reformed denomination. Obama left it in the wake of the Jeremiah Wright controversy. Since 2008, he attends various Protestant churches, including Baptist, Methodist and Episcopalian churches." (Wikipedia)

BO was a closet Muslim, the Christianity was a sham, just expedient on the path to the WH, and attending church while being affiliated with none means nothing

Vacuum7 · Feb 8, 2020, 09:59 PM

Paraclete: If what you say about Obama is true, then he is truly, truly, truly a disgusting human being...and not because he could be a Muslim or not but for denying his chosen religion while cloaking to imitate his belonging to another....this is a horrible thing to do.

What is obvious, from W.G.'s writings, Obama CANNOT be a Protestant Christian if he attends Episcopal Church (not compatible as Episcopalian is a Catholics rooted scism).