[talaniman]

You keep going back to the past and want to get your feelings out, and that's fair enough I guess, but I have long ago moved on because the official record on those events has been written. We are now faced with those before us with THIS president to address and if you're to stuck on the past to honestly deciminate the current events, then what do you want me to do about that?

Maybe you should go to the current events thread about the "face of evil" and address the allegation that it is written that the dufus is the anti Christ according to the gospel scriptures, because you will never come between me and my God, nor ever convince me that the dufus doesn't need opposing. That's as honest as I can get, because he exhibits in words and behavior all I'm against, currently and even before he became prez.

Frankly I have no problem with your passively aggressive denunciations of my views as rants, or your rock throwing against liberals. I even understand and accept you holding your nose, voting for the lying cheating bad mouth bully and trying to shove your head as far up his arse as your neck will allow. That's why I don't take it personally, nor hold it against you my friend. Just appreciate my honesty as given as something you can count on.

[jlisenbe]

want to get your feelings out

Has nothing to do with feelings.

but I have long ago moved on because the official record on those events has been written. We are now faced with those before us with THIS president to address and if you're to stuck on the past to honestly deciminate the current events, then what do you want me to do about that?

You claim to have a "profound responsibility" given to you by God. I'm just trying to figure out what that responsibility is. If it's to gut Trump, then you are accomplishing that, but if it's a calling of anything even approaching nobility and honesty, then I don't see how you can ignore the many evil faces of the democrat party.

Maybe you should go to the current events thread about the "face of evil" and address the allegation that it is written that the dufus is the anti Christ according to the gospel scriptures, because you will never come between me and my God, nor ever convince me that the dufus doesn't need opposing. That's as honest as I can get, because he exhibits in words and behavior all I'm against, currently and even before he became prez.

Nonsense. I don't even know which god you serve. You seem to dispute the Bible, so I have no idea where you get your Antichrist from.

Frankly I have no problem with your passively aggressive denunciations of my views as rants,

When a person writes, as you did, "JL my friend, get your head out of the dufus's arse...your false idol worshipping anti human support for the lying cheating foul mouthed dufus," then what would you call it? Well reasoned discourse?

I even understand and accept you holding your nose, voting for the lying cheating bad mouth bully and trying to shove your head as far up his arse as your neck will allow. That's why I don't take it personally, nor hold it against you my friend. Just appreciate my honesty as given as something you can count on.

Of course you understand. You did the same thing in voting for HC and Obama. What I find irritating is that you seem to have this galling sense of moral superiority since, after all, you voted for LIBERALS who were corrupt liars. You voted for those who champion abortion and gay marriage, so spare me the fake moral outrage at me voting for Trump. And the comment about a head being shoved somewhere is sick and a sad commentary on who you are. I expected better. I would hope you were taught better than that. It sounds like something an angry person would say when he can't think of anything sensible.

[talaniman]

Is it a coincidence you have avoided this one thread in the forum? WHY?

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could...l-predictions/

[paraclete]

Is it a coincidence you have avoided this one thread in the forum? WHY?

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could...l-predictions/

So now you are repeating posts, we all have the right to reply or not to reply

[talaniman]

Sure we do Clete. I just wanted HIS opinion on the subject. Yours would be welcome too, besides it being just interesting. Plus he can speak for himself can't he?

[jlisenbe]

I have no idea who the Antichrist will be. If this guy turns out to be wrong, then he will join an enormous multitude of people who have likewise been wrong. The odds are long indeed against him.

But I'd still like to know why you would even make a reference to the Antichrist. Are you now a believer in the Christ of the Bible, or is this just all an exercise in humor for you?

[paraclete]

Sure we do Clete. I just wanted HIS opinion on the subject. Yours would be welcome too, besides it being just interesting. Plus he can speak for himself can't he?

Prophesy has to be judged on the testimony of two or more witnesses, just because one "evangelical" connects the dots doesn't mean his interpretation is correct. Yes, Trump has done many things that defy logic and some have been successful but some of these "connections" are drawing a long bow

So now you know why I said it is interesting, which means I don't consider it conclusive I'm not going to enter into a scripture by scripture discussion. If trump is the anti-Christ this fact would have been revealed to modern day prophets before now

[Wondergirl]

I have no idea who the Antichrist will be. If this guy turns out to be wrong, then he will join an enormous multitude of people who have likewise been wrong. The odds are long indeed against him.

It's very convincing! Have you read that link yet? The "fortresses" are right on!

[talaniman]

I have no idea who the Antichrist will be. If this guy turns out to be wrong, then he will join an enormous multitude of people who have likewise been wrong. The odds are long indeed against him.

But I'd still like to know why you would even make a reference to the Antichrist. Are you now a believer in the Christ of the Bible, or is this just all an exercise in humor for you?

I came to the article the same way as everyone else and to be honest shock was my reaction and far from amusement at the logic of it. I've never taken the words of ancient man as absolute, nor do I now, or the interpretation of the author, as I have explained before I need neither to form my own opinion of the words and actions of the dufus and in that I remain consistent.

I don't need a bible to tell me that. I was genuinely interested in your input as I am with every ones.

[paraclete]

I came to the article the same way as everyone else and to be honest shock was my reaction and far from amusement at the logic of it. I've never taken the words of ancient man as absolute, nor do I now, or the interpretation of the author, as I have explained before I need neither to form my own opinion of the words and actions of the dufus and in that I remain consistent.

I don't need a bible to tell me that. I was genuinely interested in your input as I am with every ones.

If you are shocked by this no doubt you would be shocked by other passages of the Bible

[jlisenbe]

1. "The Antichrist will be a political outsider with despicable character and a contemptuous personality who wins an election that no one expects him to win." Daniel 11:21 must be read in context. His interpretation is ridiculous. It does not fit the passage.
2. "The Antichrist will cause people all over the globe to be filled with wonder and “follow” him." That applied to Obama more than to Trump. Besides, the passages says that, “The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.” So the whole world is following Trump?
3. This really seems absurd. Seven heads become seven headquarters represented by ten skyscrapers because only seven are named (so far as he is aware) Trump? Really? "Seven heads? Maybe like potential head-quarters?

"Well, funny thing again: while Donald Trump owns at least ten skyscrapers that I’m aware of, apparently only seven of them are formally named Trump Towers:" It took about 5 minutes on the internet to find that Trump owns at least TEN towers and that ALL TEN are named after him. So much for this view. https://www.dezeen.com/2016/11/02/do...und-the-world/
4. “The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. Daniel. 7:23" Yeah, all that happened last week, didn't it? Well, guess that won't really work. Besides, that could have been applied to Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and the president to come after Trump if he is just referring to being pres of a powerful nation.
5. The Daniel 7:8 passage is a vague reference to a "little horn" that is very boastful. Seems like a stretch to project that on Trump. You think HC and Obama were not boastful as well?
6. "The Antichrist will be someone known for making a lot of public threats against people." He tries to appeal to Daniel 7:4 to support that. The only problem is that Dan. 7:4 does not say that. "“The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, and the mind of a human was given to it."
7. "The Antichrist will give speeches where he speaks “great things” and then about things that are even “greater.”He appeals to Dan. 7:20. Problem is, two very reliable translations (Amp and NASB) do not support it. The Amplified reads, "a mouth that boasted great things and which looked larger than the others." So Trump has a mouth that looks larger than everyone else's?
8. "The Antichrist comes to power through collusion with a secret alliance who uses disinformation to help him win– even though he has a minority number of supporters." First of all, if he is referring to the supposed collusion with Russia, then his argument falls apart right off the bat. Even worse, Dan. 11:23 does not support that conclusion.

And on and on and on it goes. Many people will find it appealing, not because it is good scholarship, but because they had arrived at the conclusion first, and so any kind of funky evidence then seemed to be compelling.

I HAD to hit edit to add this one. It really seems absolutely laughable. "The Antichrist will have the nation’s most powerful religious leader influencing the country for him. This leader will try to convince Christians that the Antichrist is “God’s pick” and that we need to support him." And where does this bit of drama come from? Rev. 13 which reads, “And then I saw a second beast come from the Earth who looked like a lamb but spoke like a dragon… and it deceived the inhabitants of the Earth…” Now that honestly made me laugh. So Franklin Graham, who he is clearly referring to and who most people on the earth have never heard of, has "deceived the inhabitants of the Earth"? He's a "beast"? He speaks like a "dragon"?

This guy has made an appeal to scriptures he takes out of context and is able to twist them to mean what he likes since, out of context, most of them are rather vague in their particular meanings. I would really suggest that anyone interested look up each scripture reference he uses in two or three dependable translations such as ESV, NASB, Amp, or even the NIV.

I can only advise you to not buy the book.

[talaniman]

If you are shocked by this no doubt you would be shocked by other passages of the Bible

The shock is not over the gospel, but that a modern man can interpret them so precisely at the dufus, Clete. Does it sway me one way or the other? No, and I have already said I don't need gospel to know my opposition to the words and ways of the dufus. Anti Christ is just another name to tattoo on his forehead that's already full of the worst names you could call him.

Been watching repubs run to cameras and Sunday shows calling what he is accused of doing all kinds of wrong, but not wrong enough to remove him from office or the ballot. Okay that's fine, but none have put forth any suggestions for any kind of accounting whatsoever, and in my mind that's what sucks the most. Just more evidence that the fix has always been in to rig the outcome despite the arguments.

Maybe the repubs are the ones we should have impeached.

[jlisenbe]

Been watching repubs run to cameras and Sunday shows calling what he is accused of doing all kinds of wrong, but not wrong enough to remove him from office or the ballot. Okay that's fine, but none have put forth any suggestions for any kind of accounting whatsoever, and in my mind that's what sucks the most. Just more evidence that the fix has always been in to rig the outcome despite the arguments.

In what way are they different from the way you and the other dems reacted to the revelations of Benghazi and HC's private email account? Did any dems call for "any kind of accounting" in those cases? Politics, my friend. Pure politics. It would be much better to set a good example than to constantly sling mud. It would be much better if you could say to the repubs, "Behave now as I behaved with Obama and HC." Alas, you cannot say that.

[talaniman]

In what way are they different from the way you and the other dems reacted to the revelations of Benghazi and HC's private email account? Did any dems call for "any kind of accounting" in those cases? Politics, my friend. Pure politics. It would be much better to set a good example than to constantly sling mud. It would be much better if you could say to the repubs, "Behave now as I behaved with Obama and HC." Alas, you cannot say that.

I can respect your opinion, but you fail to tell the whole story of Benghazi, and HC's emails in that you left out the INVESTIGATIONS and findings in both cases, by many entities of government AND congress, that stretched months and even years, which included HC's testifying in person before the FBI, and before congress during it's many hearings. Yet you daresay LEAD BY THE EXAMPES OF THE DEMS?

Okay let's start there. How about repubs FOLLOW the example of the dems! Come on now JL!

[jlisenbe]

I can respect your opinion, but you fail to tell the whole story of Benghazi, and HC's emails in that you left out the INVESTIGATIONS and findings in both cases, by many entities of government AND congress, that stretched months and even years, which included HC's testifying in person before the FBI, and before congress during it's many hearings. Yet you daresay LEAD BY THE EXAMPES OF THE DEMS?

Okay let's start there. How about repubs FOLLOW the example of the dems! Come on now JL!

And how much of that did you call for? Zero. How much of it did the dems call for? Zero. So it would certainly seem that your call for "some kind of accounting" is only prompted by your apparent hatred of Trump. It really makes it appear that all of this has nothing to do with any real concern for ethics and is strictly motivated by politics. I'm sure we are all guilty of that to some degree.

[talaniman]

Be kind of loony to call for something that was already happening given the whole country, I mean everybody, was horrified, shocked and angry. Maybe you never noticed all the embassies beef up security, and high alert is maintained, and all the protests and unrest that surround some embassies in soome countries around 9/11. Maybe you never noticed investigations followed this tragedy immediately as well it should.

You act as though you're the onnly one pissed all the time and liberals are always to blame. We were attacked and lost 4 people true enough but you NEVER detail how 30 others survived and fought bravely. 4 dead in Africa on a routine excursion on the dufus watch and you blow ii off as the casualty of war. You mean terrorist attacks in one part of Africa is somehow different than terrorist attacks in another part? Now that's as loony as it gets! Get over yourself, your hypocrisy and liberal hate is showing.

Funny how you ALWAYS accuse the left of all kinds of crap, and forgive the right of all their crap. You're not just a hypocritical loon, your NUTS! Nuttier than my own titled rants reveal to some degree!

[jlisenbe]

You act as though you're the onnly one pissed all the time and liberals are always to blame. We were attacked and lost 4 people true enough but you NEVER detail how 30 others survived and fought bravely. 4 dead in Africa on a routine excursion on the dufus watch and you blow ii off as the casualty of war. You mean terrorist attacks in one part of Africa is somehow different than terrorist attacks in another part? Now that's as loony as it gets! Get over yourself, your hypocrisy and liberal hate is showing.

Funny how you ALWAYS accuse the left of all kinds of crap, and forgive the right of all their crap. You're not just a hypocritical loon, your NUTS! Nuttier than my own titled rants reveal to some degree!

Hmm. Where to begin?

I don't really know why you are suddenly so detail oriented about Benghazi. 30 survived but no thanks to HC and Obama who did NOTHING to help them AT ALL during the entire siege. They left them on their own to live or die, so yeah, that's about as loony as it gets. I'm still waiting for you to call for "some kind of accounting."

I haven't accused the left so much as I have questioned you. You claim to want "some kind of accounting". I am pointing out that you only want an accounting when it involves Trump. You were silent as could be while the four Americans died under Obama's watch. If you really care about ethics, then become an equal opportunity accuser.

If you have a point of view, then defend it. Name calling would only seem to call attention to not having anything useful or intelligent to say.

[talaniman]

Only a loony right wing hater would blame ME personally for not calling for an accounting while the blamed event is being investigated by every blamed agency of government and his mama! I guess that also goes for your soaring loony righjt wing rhetoric and fake outrage to make a phony case against...wait for it...Obama and HC...LIBERALS! Crickets on the four lives lost under the dufus, and who needs details when you have loony talking points.

Where should you begin? How about the dufus wanting a foreign power to investigate an American? THINK! If he can do that to a citizen, former VP, and current candidate, then he can do it to anyone, anytime, for any reason, ANYWHERE! Nevermind what the treaty says, or our own laws say, a phone call is all he needs. That's a bunch of crap, and repubs aided and abetted. The sorry repub suckers in the senate knew any witness would get a pimp slap from the dufus, and a long court case, and would they look worse than they already do? You bet! So the easy way out is forget this shut it down before it gets real ugly for repubs period! That was the plan before this thing started and you know it because all his investigations are rigged for his outcome!

Lets get one thing straight here my friend, I call names and throw facts and rocks and if you can't take it, well that's not my problem, but don't think for a minute I'm mad at ya, because you're probably doing the best you can with what you got. That's why I ignore you're puny effort to scold and school me. AIN'T gonna happen! Thought you knew!

I'll make you cry and holler fo' yo' mama!

[jlisenbe]

Only a loony right wing hater would blame ME personally for not calling for an accounting while the blamed event is being investigated by every blamed agency of government and his mama!

But the exact same thing is true of Trump and you seem to have no problem in never letting a day go by without blasting him and calling him every name under the sun. Why the double standard? If you doubt what I say, then just review your comment below.

Where should you begin? How about the dufus wanting a foreign power to investigate an American? THINK! If he can do that to a citizen, former VP, and current candidate, then he can do it to anyone, anytime, for any reason, ANYWHERE! Nevermind what the treaty says, or our own laws say, a phone call is all he needs. That's a bunch of crap, and repubs aided and abetted. The sorry repub suckers in the senate knew any witness would get a pimp slap from the dufus, and a long court case, and would they look worse than they already do? You bet! So the easy way out is forget this shut it down before it gets real ugly for repubs period! That was the plan before this thing started and you know it because all his investigations are rigged for his outcome!

Should he be able to ask a government known for corruption to investigate a seemingly plausible case of corruption involving an American? Are you really asking such a ridiculous question? Well YEAH.

Lets get one thing straight here my friend, I call names and throw facts and rocks and if you can't take it, well that's not my problem, but don't think for a minute I'm mad at ya, because you're probably doing the best you can with what you got. That's why I ignore you're puny effort to scold and school me. AIN'T gonna happen! Thought you knew!

I'll make you cry and holler fo' yo' mama!

When that happens, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath. Just work on your critical thinking skills. When you get that mastered, you will have no further need of calling names like junior high kids do.

[talaniman]

But the exact same thing is true of Trump and you seem to have no problem in never letting a day go by without blasting him and calling him every name under the sun.

Why the double standard?

If you doubt what I say, then just review your comment below.

No it's not since Obama's administration cooperated in the Benghazi investigation and HC cooperated in her email investigation. Maybe she blew off a few, but that's vastly different than the dufus not cooperating at all. Stay tuned I thought up even more names to lay on that orange sidewinder!

Should he be able to ask a government known for corruption to investigate a seemingly plausible case of corruption involving an American? Are you really asking such a ridiculous question? Well YEAH.

NO! Because we have a treaty and a proper process for that very thing and what's the evidence that either Biden was corrupt. Obviously not enough for Barr to formally request such an investigation by treaty! Yeah those little details always get you! Your ignorance or the dufus's of the law is no excuse. The GAO also said he broke the law by NOT notifying the congress of his intent to with hold funding, so either he is stupid or a lawbreaking crook, or both! The only one being ridicules here is you trying to skip over important details. You call THAT critical thinking?

You prove over and over again you got reality and BS all mixed up!