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    Jan 1, 2020, 04:33 PM
    Australian fires
    This is a currrent event forum and if we can get our attention away from dillsville for a moment, thousands of people are stranded behind a wall of fire over an unprecedented distance. Hemmed in by mountains ablaze and with damage cutting power, roads and essential services there is no way out. We are all used to a crisis that passes within a few days, however resupply becomes a logistics nightmare

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/e...808e663eec8a28

    A few news snippets don't do it justice and fail to convey the scale. I was in these towns only a few days ago and am very familiar with them but the places I know, have known for a long time, no longer exist. Even if they bring in ships the number needed will not be readily found, a fleet of cruise ships might do it but no docking facilities exist. So how do you resolve an emergency that hasn't been planned for?
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    Jan 1, 2020, 05:57 PM
    Fire your government, because the fires should have been planned for, since it just happened a bit over a year ago ,though in less populated areas of the country. That's the thing with Mother Nature you can be prepared and still be overwhelmed and helpless.
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    Jan 1, 2020, 07:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Fire your government, because the fires should have been planned for, since it just happened a bit over a year ago ,though in less populated areas of the country. That's the thing with Mother Nature you can be prepared and still be overwhelmed and helpless.
    Tal you cannot prepare for firestorm, these things create their own weather, even fire tornados. I could make great criticism of the local government in that area, many stupid green policies leaving bush corridors in developed areas, allowing subdivision in bush areas and not allowing trees to be cleared so they have vegetation right up to houses through populated areas but here you have a narrow strip of development along a coast and a heavily forested hinterland, with state forests and national parks up the wazoo. The drought is also to blame since this region is usually high rainfall
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    Jan 2, 2020, 08:35 AM
    I don't think Mother Nature cares about blame and survival depend on how fast you get away from it since no one cared about buying building a habitat next to the jungle. Maybe they should have thought about that and had a sufficent firebreak when they built those homes, and communities and not counted on the rain to save them.
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    Jan 2, 2020, 01:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I don't think Mother Nature cares about blame and survival depend on how fast you get away from it since no one cared about buying building a habitat next to the jungle. Maybe they should have thought about that and had a sufficient firebreak when they built those homes, and communities and not counted on the rain to save them.
    What you have is just stupidity, holiday development and now more stupidity as there is a tourist leave order in place with one road out which is periodically closing for smoke and other hazards. Vehicles are being escorted by police, seems the tourists cannot be trusted to behave in an orderly manner, huge queues for fuel and if you happen to have a diesel dinosaur you ain't going anywhere

    You cannot have a sufficient firebreak from an ember attack, embers can land kilometres ahead of the fire and start new fires. When I was a firefighter I have seen brick and tile houses burning from the roof as embers are wind driven into the roof caverty
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    Jan 3, 2020, 05:28 AM
    Yeah that wind factor is another Mother Nature effect we can't control, but a old texan once told ne that you just pay the insurance and run before it gets you. Keep in mind our solution for a nuclear attack was get under the desk and grab your ankles, which could work for a firestorm too. On the serious side, I'm watching Aussie farmers put down his injured cows.
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    Jan 3, 2020, 10:26 AM
    how much of this is arson ?
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/27/austr...cli/index.html
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    Jan 3, 2020, 12:00 PM
    Haven't heard that from anyone in regard to current Australia fires...yet, but it's got to be in the back of someones mind even with the ripe conditions and only needs a careless camper.
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    Jan 3, 2020, 01:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    An investigation is beginning to find anyone who is responsible for lighting a fire. I have heard one report so far of a fire deliberately lit but such events are an all too frequent outcome of foolishness. When I was a fire fighter it was a well known fact that the first day and last day of the school holidays had a high incidence of fires however thunder storms also cause fires, farmers being careless with machinery and repairs, campers and so on
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    Jan 4, 2020, 03:19 AM
    Wow, just saw the local weather dude illustrate how firestorms create thunderstorms that actually makes more firestorms. Making fire is so easy.
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    Jan 4, 2020, 05:41 AM
    Tal we really don't want to know that right now
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    Jan 4, 2020, 06:09 AM
    Sorry couldn't help it. It's just ironic an island on fire and having droughts and high temps that bring about these conditions. Seems a few extra long hoses from the ocean would have been tried by now.
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    Jan 4, 2020, 02:37 PM
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    Sorry couldn't help it. It's just ironic an island on fire and having droughts and high temps that bring about these conditions. Seems a few extra long hoses from the ocean would have been tried by now.
    I'll put that comment up there with nutcase solutions, this is not just an island, it is a continent entirely surrounded by water as most are by the way. Do you know we have one pundit who thinks we are under attack from the devil so if that is so the way out is prayer
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    Jan 5, 2020, 11:24 AM
    Continent or not, you need water to fight fires with, and pissing on your own roof is grossly inadequate. I wouldn't dismiss a nutty idea if that's the ONLY idea you got would you? Yeah I know kind of desperate for ideas right about now.
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    Jan 5, 2020, 01:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Continent or not, you need water to fight fires with, and pissing on your own roof is grossly inadequate. I wouldn't dismiss a nutty idea if that's the ONLY idea you got would you? Yeah I know kind of desperate for ideas right about now.
    Tal many of these fires are a long way inland right now and the area is huge. This place doesn't have the water resources you have, many rivers actually flow underground. Send us some water bombers
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    Jan 5, 2020, 05:45 PM
    Tal we are grateful for all assistance, the purchase of water bombers is too late they were needed months ago. I expect the politicians just couldn't get their head around what was happening. Afterall if you are holidaying in Hawaii, Bali, etc it is hard to gain perspective
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    Jan 5, 2020, 06:19 PM
    Aw Clete. Those are perfectly good places to run and hide in. Everybody does it that can. I would if I could even without a firestorm to run from, or close enough to smell.
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    Jan 5, 2020, 06:57 PM
    The firestorm these idiots were running from didn't include fire, they would rationalise they needed a much earned rest, that is if they know what work truly is
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    Jan 7, 2020, 03:24 PM
    Now here is a fact I bet you didn't know, or maybe you did

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/e...40cc45ae671ebf

    Yes folks If this was happening in your backyard you might feel your nation was under threat

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