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RubyPitbull · Apr 24, 2007, 01:36 PM

You are right Nowwhat. I guess we won't know what actually transpired unless we are allowed into the custody hearing. There is no excuse for calling his daughter names and cursing at her, which he did. He has acknowledged that. I think it was a culmination of many years of frustration with the mother who has been brainwashing her to hate her father. We have no idea what the kid has verbally said to her father at other times. I think the guy just finally blew a cork out of frustration that his daughter has progressively shown that she wants nothing to do with him.

Matt3046 · Apr 25, 2007, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by RubyPitbull

You are right Nowwhat. I guess we won't know what actually transpired unless we are allowed into the custody hearing. There is no excuse for calling his daughter names and cursing at her, which he did. He has acknowledged that. I think it was a culmination of many years of frustration with the mother who has been brainwashing her to hate her father. We have no idea what the kid has verbally said to her father at other times. I think the guy just finally blew a cork out of frustration that his daughter has progressively shown that she wants nothing to do with him.

Well the phone call was likely recorded, it is very common in these situations.
I have to tape all calls I make to my daughter and when her mother calls here to speak with her. It's to protect yourself, from misunderstandings and false allegations. Yes he was wrong, and even cruel but I have seen him make a a**
Out of himself several times before. But, he's a great leading man.
This stems from the fact that he had actually flew to La from NY to see her and she didn't show up. And he probably has no way of communicating with his ex except with lawyers. Parental Alienation, and Parental alienation Syndrome
Is a very disturbing crime committed against the child. I personally have had listen to my 4 and a half year old tell me all the lies and any other thing (true and untrue) that her mother can think of simply to diminish me in her eyes. What's really sad is that it does more harm to the kids because you are basically telling them that they are stupid and wrong for thinking the way they do. It's really my own fault for I broke a very important Murphys law "never sleep with anyone crazier than yourself"

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Parental alienation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Parental Alienation Syndrome: How to Detect It and What to Do About It by J. Michael Bone and Michael R. Walsh
parental alienation - Google Search

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NowWhat · Apr 25, 2007, 05:40 AM

Nobody wins in a situation like this - least of all the child. I don't understand how any parent could do this - if you aren't with the other parent anymore - you obviously don't care or like each other anymore. But - that doesn't have anything to do with you as a parent. We may stink as husband/wife but, what does that have to do with your parenting skills?

My ex. Sister-in-law told my niece and nephew for years that their dad and his side of the family were terrible and blah blah blah. They didn't want much to do with us. Then the mom couldn't handle my nephew anymore and sent him to live with his dad. It took a long time for my brother to get through to this kid and help him. It is the best thing that could have happened (coming to live with him) and I am glad she made that decision. It was made more out of convienence for herself than making a sacrifice - but whatever.
There were years of brainwashing to overcome. Now he is a protective teenager doing well in school and sports - something that would have never happened if he still lived with his mom. My niece, well that is another story. She is a teen mom and married to a real "winner". No job, living off the system and happy doing so. She only contacts us if she wants something - just like her mother.

Capuchin · Apr 25, 2007, 05:53 AM

I'm going to leave for Gliese 581 c. Anyone coming with me?

Tuscany · Apr 25, 2007, 05:58 AM

I am always game for a new adventure

RubyPitbull · Apr 25, 2007, 06:06 AM

I can't believe Wiki has already made an entry on that Cappy. Fast work. Pretty amazing stuff huh? We knew we couldn't be the only planet in the universe that can support life, but it is rather exciting to have this discovery happen during our lifetime.

NeedKarma · Apr 25, 2007, 07:31 AM

Uh-oh, I can only imgine the new religious debates that will spark should life be found there. Xenu will be angered!

Capuchin · Apr 25, 2007, 07:32 AM

I can only imagine too. It looks like fun to me..

NeedKarma · Apr 25, 2007, 07:33 AM

Evil monkey. :D

Capuchin · Apr 25, 2007, 07:36 AM

Synnen · Apr 25, 2007, 08:02 AM

Cappy... do you live in Chris's closet?

Matt3046 · Apr 25, 2007, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Capuchin

I'm going to leave for Gliese 581 c. Anyone coming with me?

You had better get going, it seems to be a long way off. If you see this guy tell him I said hi.

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NowWhat · Apr 25, 2007, 08:45 AM

Liquid water? On this planet there is liquid water - as opposed to powdered water, gas water?
I mean - is there any other kind of water?

NeedKarma · Apr 25, 2007, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by NowWhat

Liquid water? On this planet there is liquid water - as opposed to powdered water, gas water?
I mean - is there any other kind of water?

Yes, gaseous and solid (ice).

Matt3046 · Apr 25, 2007, 08:58 AM

Don't forget bottled, spring, desighner, reverse osmosis triple filtered, and tap water.

NowWhat · Apr 25, 2007, 10:57 AM

Well, okay, I forgot about solid.

SnaveLeber · May 2, 2007, 09:49 PM

Taking prayer out of schools
That was a bad idea...

Capuchin · May 2, 2007, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by SnaveLeber

Taking prayer out of schools
That was a bad idea...

Why so?

SnaveLeber · May 3, 2007, 09:35 AM

Ive seen several grids showing the drop in morals of students from the time (1979? Ish) that they took it out. The facts are that the moralsof this country were based upon a christian character. Love thy God, Love thy Neighbor, don't lie don't steal obey your parents (in which is right) don't commit adultery, do not bow down to false idols, don't murder, don't want what's not yours, and keep the sabbath holy. (Way out of order I know)
But look where we are.
Sex is rampant, perversion just as much
We murder
We lie
We disrespect our parents
We get drunk on sat, sleep in on sun.
Money is our idol.
Most of us say "theres probably a God out there, but theres no telling which is right"
We steal, wanting what's not ours
And we hate other people

And yes I believe that this is a result of taking God, and communicstion with God out of school. Why? Because you are taking young, impressionable people, teaching them about life and logic, telling them in essance, the laws of our God, but when they ask "why is it that we have to follow these rules?" there's no answer.
Leaving them to believe that morals are rules set up by society to govern and control...
Leaving them wanting to rebel, because we all just die. End of story.

excon · May 3, 2007, 09:46 AM

Hello snave:

Not bad stuff, but shouldn't parents teach that at home? The schools have enough trouble teaching the three R's. I don't want them teaching about God too. By the way, whose God are they going to teach is right? Yours or mine?

excon