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Aug 31, 2019, 07:30 PM
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This Russia Probe was and is pure junk! There needs to be a PROBE of how and why the Russia Probe even began.....and when they identify the starter of it, throw that person in jail! The damn thing was financed by Hillary Clinton, for God's sake! And the "STEELE" dossier is pure, fetid garbage.
When you dig down into it, the FBI paid Russians U.S. $$$s to get them to make up stories about Russia dealing with Trump! How ridiculously ridiculous can you possibly get? And Mueller himself is the embodiment of the OPPOSITE OF THE MIDAS TOUCH: Everything Mueller has ever touched has always turned to so much sewage....along with being a bumbling, stumbling, incompetent, and nearly incoherent speaker, Mueller is a CURSE, on himself and anyone around him.
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Aug 31, 2019, 07:40 PM
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Really nice right wing loony rant! Let me know when you read the report. Are you following the court cases? I didn't think so!
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Aug 31, 2019, 10:08 PM
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Talaniman: I AM NOT RIGHT WING! Just seeing a lot of misuse of tax money on a rabbit hole of nothingness. What court cases? I know about the "Process Charges" against General Flynn that put an American patriotic veteran in jail on a trick play by the FBI.....I know about the stupid and silly case against Roger Stone, too: More of nothing. And, BTW, its really best that Mueller and the rest of the hooligans he hired for millions of tax dollars didn't try to make a public scene with Roger Stone: Stone is just too sharp for them, he'd make them look like idiots.
Mueller is not a mental giant, far from it....but, I will concede: When there is nothing to make a case around, there is nothing to make a case around!
Doesn't it strike you as a least bit odd that Mueller found ZERO with a Russia and Trump connection? And he ended up chasing "other" avenues because the one that he was assigned to investigate, his primary target, which was COLLUSION, was a big nothing burger. From the Fisa Warrants to the Hillary funded Steele Dossier to the total lack of anything in the investigation makes you wonder if this wasn't just an attempted COUPE after all.
I know that Trump sounded crazy when he said that he thought that the Obama Administration was spying on him during the campaign, I even thought he was crazy.....and Obama immediately denied it.....but, guess what: Low and behold, the FBI WAS SPYING ON THE 2016 TRUMP CAMPAIGN.....All this makes me want to see this bunch of underhanded cabal PROSECUTED!
FBI overreach should concern you, too, Talaniman, even if it is against someone you deem to be despicable, like Trump: Whether you like someone or you don't, you cannot customize or culture justice to persecute a citizen of the U.S.....Justice must be applied universally, equally, and unbiasedly or the system will break down and the nation will break down....I know you agree with me on that point!
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Sep 1, 2019, 06:15 AM
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Me thinks thou does protest too much
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Sep 1, 2019, 08:30 AM
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Justice must be applied universally, equally, and unbiasedly or the system will break down and the nation will break down....I know you agree with me on that point!
Sounds good on paper but when will it become reality? Start with the dufus in chief, whose lawless administration is built on fear, hate, and lies that you parrot rather well for some one who isn't a right wing lunatic and sycophant. You never mentioned any of his stuff in your rant. Or that Mueller had recouped the tens of millions stolen by Paul Manafort.
You aren't disturbed by another loony that proves once again that good guys with a guns isn't the answer to a bad guy with a gun? 7 dead in Odessa, Tx. many wounded. Yeah, you love your guns, but so do loons and criminals and homicidal maniacs. So exactly when do innocent victims get justice?
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Sep 1, 2019, 07:44 PM
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Talaniman: I will state again, for the record, I am NOT RIGHT WING! Please, don't label me...I don't ever label you and will not ever. I am Libertarian. I recognize, adhere to, and support the elements GUARANTEED to U.S. Citizens in the U.S. Constitution.
The Russia Investigation had only the most limited successes and, yes, I did forget to say that Mueller and company caught one crook, Manafort, I will agree with you on that....Manafort is a filthy crook.....but past that what did they catch while fishing and, more importantly, did they have a license to fish for what they caught in the first place? I will say that, long term, it will be proven that the whole investigation will be "investigated" and a lot of maneuvers will be found to be questionable and likely illegal....and there is probably a good chance Manafort may walk free because of these tactics....yes, a truly guilty man walking free because the law was "bent".
Do you not think that it is just a little bit curious that Mueller was asked to look at COLLUSION and found none but ventured way off his defined path in an attempt to find "something" to impugn Trump? Its like paying a doctor to take out your gall bladder and he can't so he goes ahead and takes out a kidney, instead. It show weakness is the entire basis and premise for the case and, also, a certain desperation in those that oppose Trump.
Facts are facts: If there is evidence of a crime committed, then there is reason to open an investigation.....However, you cannot name an investigation and then begin to look for a crime being committed. Remember: Its ready, aim, fire! Not ready, fire, aim! BIG DIFFERENCE!
If there was any COLLUSION at all, it was between Hillary Clinton, Steele, and paying RUSSIANS to provide stories on Trump to use against him in the 2016 Campaign. In fact, that is disgusting.
Furthermore, we can not allow the FBI to run all over hell and creation asking for U.S. District Judges to issue FISA Warrants so they can spy on U.S. citizens any damn time they feel the urge. If you think illegally spying on Trump is O.K., what are you going to think when they do the same to a paragon of the left or, maybe, you or your children!
A violent person cannot be controlled unless you do what Texas Law Enforcement did to the guy in Odessa and that is kill him dead: That guarantees he will never be violent again.
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Sep 2, 2019, 07:42 AM
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=Vacuum7;3840424]Talaniman: I will state again, for the record, I am NOT RIGHT WING! Please, don't label me...I don't ever label you and will not ever. I am Libertarian.
You are the one doing the labeling. "I am Libertarian". You claim not to be right-wing, yet libertarian is a subset of right-wing.
The Russia Investigation had only the most limited successes and, yes, I did forget to say that Mueller and company caught one crook, Manafort, I will agree with you on that....Manafort is a filthy crook.....but past that what did they catch ............................. .[skip]..............................................y man walking free because the law was "bent".
Do you not think that it is just........ .[skip]................ to impugn Trump? Its like paying a doctor to take out your gall bladder and he can't so he goes ahead and takes out a kidney, instead. It show weakness is the entire basis and premise for the case and, also, a certain desperation in those that oppose Trump.
Your rant is sadly lacking in specifics. Hence, my "skips" to save space.
I couldn't agree more. You need to present those facts.
If there is evidence of a crime committed, then there is reason to open an investigation.....However, you cannot name an investigation ..... [skip].......Remember: Its ready, aim, fire! Not ready, fire, aim! BIG DIFFERENCE!
If there was .......... [skip, skip, skip]...........ldren!
Please, more FACTS, less rant.
A violent person cannot be controlled unless you do what Texas Law Enforcement did to the guy in Odessa and that is kill him dead: That guarantees he will never be violent again.
You're missing the essential point. It's not about what is to be done AFTER the guy is caught! It's about preventing it BEFORE the guy goes on a rage.
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Sep 2, 2019, 09:10 AM
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yet libertarian is a subset of right-wing.
only on some issues like economics .On social issues libertarian philosophy leans "left " and the swing towards the "left " by the libertarian movement grows .Noam Chomsky describes himself as a libertarian socialist . And he is not alone inside the libertarian movement .
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Sep 2, 2019, 10:45 AM
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Athos: I wasn't labeling anything, I was making sure everyone knew I was not Right Wing.
The Mueller Persecution Investigation is a travesty and a tragedy and a stain on this country and the Justice System....I cannot begin to describe every single detail of where it went off the tracks other than that it was entirely built upon a falsified premise of a made-up story that was paid for/sponsored by non-other than Hillary Clinton who paid RUSSIANS for stories (hence there is you COLLUSION!).....NOWT THAT IS A FACT!
Keep attacking Trump through ILLEGAL means if you want to feel pain later on....He will end up using your own weapons against you and you will not like it....The CABAL THAT WAS THE OBAMA FBI AND CIA FIFTH COLUMN IS BEING EXPOSED, ITS MEMBERS ROUTED OUT, AND ITS POWER DECIMATED (i.e. DEEP STATE) so that power is fading fast while Trump's power is gaining nd, simultaneously, his opponents "secret society's power" is waning....A.G. Barr is like a hound dog sniffing out their hiding places and he is about to make the careers short lived. Remember, TRUMP IS TAKING CONTROL OF THE COURTS AND YOU CANNOT STOP HIM! The Supreme Court is about to take an extreme hard turn to the right, just ANOTHER FACT, with the demise of Ginsburg....and Trump has done more to fill U.S. District Courts than any POTUS before him and this, alone, will have a lasting impact on the Judicial architecture of the land: The left needs to watch its step or they will suffer consequences that no Congress, Senate, or, even, Executive gains will be able to wash away for many decades. The COURTS SCARE THE PURE HELL OUT OF THE LEFT and everyone knows it.
The 2nd Amendment is here to stay: People that have guns are not going to give them up because a few weirdos shoot up the place now and then....no one is taking guns away, and the left is not going to gain votes because they keep standing with this cause. TIME TO FACE FACTS: The American people love guns, by and large! More people love them than not. You can scream all you want but you aren't changing the minds of those that have guns: The left is beating a dead horse on this subject.
The left wants to talk Impeachment? They will IMPEACH themselves! If the left wants to really get their asses shellacked in 2020, they should do the Impeachment thing! No CNN or other media assistance will help them cover up that gapping wound and Trump will waltz into the end zone with another four years. Since when did you impeach someone because you don't like their positions on certain subjects? There are no legs for this, whatsoever.
I'm not Right or left, just down the middle, but when I see one side doing things legally, by the book, and the other side doing it illegally, who do you think I am going side with on these legal matters? At some point, its not only a legal position but, also, an ethical position: Every man must stand for what's right, otherwise he becomes a dog.
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Sep 2, 2019, 01:00 PM
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Nixon's relection committee ,without his knowledge broke in the Democrat hqs to tap a single phone (used to hire prostitutes from a nearby call girl business ).He was brought down in disgrace .
The emperor's White House ,with his full knowledge ,used the FBI to not only surveil the opposing party's nominee ;but also placed a mole into the campaign (Stefan Halper ) . They concocted a cover story about collusion with the Russian .
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Sep 2, 2019, 03:45 PM
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You sure you guys aren't right wingers? How come I find a bunch of rightwing sites spouting the same things that you posted here?
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Sep 2, 2019, 06:36 PM
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Talaniman: This is news for those that read and listen, its public knowledge...don't need Right Wing sites to tell us these things.
As for Tomder55's example of Nixon: Nixon was demonized by the left from the time that he almost singlehandedly exposed the entire Soviet conspiracy with the U.S. and the State Department, with Alger Hiss in Roosevelt's State Department negotiating with the Russians during Yalta when he was a communist spy! The left hated Nixon for this: they hated a man who was a patriot and idolized a man who was a foreign spy because that spy was a communist who was closer to their beliefs! DISGUSTING! When Watergate came along, some 25 years later, the leftist cabal got their revenge on an American patriot.
Obama knew about the surveillance of the Trump Campaign and he did nothing to stop it: How is this not criminal? Why does he get a pass? Why isn't this being investigated with great gusto?
I don't care if you are Right or left, when you see criminal acts within the government, no matter whom they are committed by, why doesn't it concern you? Why don't you want justice? Justice knows no political affiliation....or, at least, its not supposed to be that way.
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Sep 3, 2019, 02:48 AM
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Oh come on, Vac7, Nixon's own party turned against him. They refused to condone his lies and tactics.
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Sep 3, 2019, 09:04 AM
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Not to speak of the 22,000 American dead as a direct result of Nixon sabotaging the 1968 peace talks so he could win the election on an anti-war platform. He then proceeded to bomb Laos and Cambodia until he knew he couldn't win in Vietnam so he agreed to peace conditions which were the same he sabotaged. Some patriot!
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Sep 3, 2019, 09:12 AM
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Nixon's own party turned against him. They refused to condone his lies and tactics.
Now we can see if the democrats will be similarly honest.
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Sep 3, 2019, 09:20 AM
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Hey JL, missed ya face around the place. Just a small correction though, it's up to repubs to find a way to reign in thier own...AGAIN!
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Sep 3, 2019, 11:54 AM
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I was referring to the democrat House doing something about the illegal activities of Mr. Obama.
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Sep 3, 2019, 12:06 PM
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Another thing repubs failed to do when they had power all those years? Now settle down while we try to get the dufus.
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Sep 3, 2019, 01:18 PM
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Talaniman: Nixon WAS A PATRIOT.....there can be little doubt about his contributions to routing out communists where he found them as a founding member of HUAC....say what you will but that committee took the steam out of the reds here in the U.S. Also, Nixon was right about bombing North Vietnam: How do we know? Red Generals confirmed that they were ready to sue for peace when the U.S. stopped because of leftist pressure on Nixon back home.....THAT WAS A REAL DASTARDLY THING TO DO! Vietnam was a DEMOCRAT PARTY issue that Nixon was trying to win....but the DEMOCRATS never intended to really win it in the first place.
Nixon had the nads to keep going with the Watergate persecution of him but it was the GUTLESS REPUBLICAN IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE who wouldn't back him up: PURE COWARDS! As a result, the left was able to run around proclaiming victory for six years and fouling up foreign policy around the globe.
You can dream all you want to but the reality will be much, much different than your dreams: You are not going to GET Trump....ain't happening....he will GET the left and but good. When the left decided to take the low-road with him and the illegal activities they embarked upon, they sealed their own fate: Trump won't be fooled again and he won't forget. This President is unlike any that came before him, so there is no yardstick to judge him by: Just know that THE LEFT SCREWED UP.
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Sep 3, 2019, 04:46 PM
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Nixon and his VP were crooks! Just like the dufus!
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