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jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2019, 05:24 AM

His sycophants on this board are quick to condemn his bizarre behavior while praising what he has done "for the economy". The truth is that he has done nothing for the economy. In fact, his economic policies have been destructive - tariffs that he doesn't understand and are ruinous to American business, flamboyant promises about bringing back manufacturing and mining that are complete fabrications, much ballyhooed income tax policies that have not remotely produced the revenue he swore they would do (and which he said he and his rich friends would be hurt by because the benefits went to the middle class - HOGWASH!), and more and more.

So many false statements. The economy has added more than a half million manufacturing jobs and is adding those jobs at a rate better than in the past twenty years, but he has done nothing for the economy? Wow. What a statement. The entire paragraph above is just an example of name-calling (sycophants) and Trump hatred so extreme that you cannot see the plain truth. Obama had eight years and never produced a healthy economy. It was the slowest recovery from a recession in history.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/he...ong-2018-08-03

If you don't like Trump, then I can understand that. He has a loud, undisciplined mouth. He is arrogant. We are still engaged in deficit spending, much like Obama did. I get all of that. But his policies have led to an economic revival such as we have not seen in a long time. He has appointed conservative judges who actually believe in the rule of law and not just making it up as they go along. He takes our southern border and North Korea seriously and continues to support religious liberty and traditional marriage. All of this makes him, in my mind, far superior to the consummate politician we had before, and certainly better than the most corrupt politician of my lifetime, HC.

but if you want civility

I guess you don't see the humor in that quote. If You want to continually call him "Dufus" and his supporters (which does not include me) "sycophants", then that's fine until you want to start accusing Trump of using name-calling and offensive language which is, of course, the very thing you are doing. If it's wrong for him, then it's wrong for you as well. But I will admit you do pretty well, all in all, and if you want to accuse me of nit-picking, then you might be about half right.

tomder55 · Mar 30, 2019, 11:10 AM

Now that AG Barr has declared the Constitution null and void, he has presented the American people with a condescending "summary" of the Mueller Report. We prefer to read the real thing.

agreed ;the rest of the op is not worth responding to except that a full copy with redactions agreed to by Mueller will be released to Congress by 4/15 . Mueller has NOT disputed Barr's contention that he found no evidence of collusion . As for obstruction ; Barr AND Dep AG Rosenstein BOTH read Mueller's report and determined that there were no grounds for the charge of obstruction . Recall ;Rosenstein BOTH advised Trump to fire Comey AND appointed Mueller .

There will be redactions based on the well known standards of protection of source and methods ; information that would compromise ongoing investigations that Mueller punted to district courts and Grand Jury proceedings . I don't like it but that is the standards and in no way does it suggest cover up .

talaniman · Mar 30, 2019, 12:04 PM

I see a protracted legal battle between congress and DOJ to get the full unredacted report, and there is precedence set by the Watergate prosecutors. I think the House has a legal standing and obligation to view and evaluate any evidence concerning oversight of the executive branch even if the DOJ is constrained to do so. Barr may just be buying time for the dufus to poison the well and would be wise to avoid a cover up, or obstruction himself.

You had to see this coming even before Barr was appointed. Even if the dufus gets re-elected, like Nixon did, he will still have some explaining to do. It will be a fascinating chess game this summer.

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2019, 01:25 PM

It's over. There was no collusion. Time for the suffering democrats to get over their supreme disappointment.

I say there was no collusion. I refer, of course, to collusion with Russia. Now if you want to talk about collusion between the Clinton campaign and the DNC, not to mention CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and much of the rest of the news media, to get her nominated and then elected, then you are on the right track. And that is what should worry us far more that any minor interference the Russians might have engaged in.

paraclete · Mar 30, 2019, 02:06 PM

This has to have been the biggest non event in history, but then it is beside those other non events of the Trump presidency

talaniman · Mar 30, 2019, 02:06 PM

I think the process is just getting started and you both should try and keep up. You both seem to be rather stuck.

paraclete · Mar 30, 2019, 02:37 PM

Two years and the process is just getting started, spare my days or is that daze

jlisenbe · Mar 30, 2019, 06:56 PM

Two years and the process is just getting started, spare my days or is that daze

My thought exactly .

talaniman · Mar 31, 2019, 04:38 AM

LOL, the Clintons have had so many investigations over the years, I lost count and they are still calling for MORE. You complain about two years investigating the dufus as too long.

That's the definition of HYPOCRISY.

paraclete · Mar 31, 2019, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

LOL, the Clintons have had so many investigations over the years, I lost count and they are still calling for MORE. You complain about two years investigating the dufus as too long.

That's the definition of HYPOCRISY.

Do you think it might be because there is some substance to why they should be investigated

jlisenbe · Mar 31, 2019, 05:35 AM

Do you think it might be because there is some substance to why they should be investigated?

As much as I would love to see the Clinton Foundation investigated, I guess we should just be deliriously happy she is not pres and move on. Too many problems to solve to spend much time arguing about that, especially now that it's become clear that there was no Russian collusion. Let's move on and try and solve some problems.

talaniman · Mar 31, 2019, 10:02 AM

You've obviously read the Mueller report so care to share?

jlisenbe · Mar 31, 2019, 11:58 AM

You've obviously read the Mueller report so care to share?

Still clinging to your last desperate hope, I see. Good luck with that.

talaniman · Mar 31, 2019, 01:02 PM

You don't mind if we wait for the details rather than the limited Barr Summation do you? That's hardly desperation just prudent due diligence. Trust but VERIFY kind of thing.

jlisenbe · Mar 31, 2019, 01:06 PM

That's hardly desperation just prudent due diligence.

You didn't feel that way when it was Kavanaugh's rear end on the line. No evidence whatsoever other than the ramblings of pretty forgetful woman. Where was the due diligence then?

talaniman · Mar 31, 2019, 04:19 PM

Sure I did, but the senate sham incompetent investigation didn't pass the smell test unlike the efficient comprehensive Mueller Investigation.

paraclete · Mar 31, 2019, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Sure I did, but the senate sham incompetent investigation didn't pass the smell test unlike the efficient comprehensive Mueller Investigation.

An efficient investigation which disproved the prime terms of reference and still you won't let go

talaniman · Mar 31, 2019, 08:08 PM

I doubt you have read Mueller's report either Clete and that's what we have been waiting for. Until that happens we have no facts despite the dufus victory lap.

paraclete · Mar 31, 2019, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I doubt you have read Mueller's report either Clete and that's what we have been waiting for. Until that happens we have no facts despite the dufus victory lap.

It seems you disbelieve everything the administration says, even the AG. You think the devil is in the detail or in the White House, but he has resided in the White House for a long time

jlisenbe · Apr 1, 2019, 04:48 AM

You will get Mueller's report, or at least a redacted version which is what is required by law. And no doubt the dems will find sentences and phrases which seem to show that martians really landed in New Mexico or whatever. There is such a hatred of Trump that dems latch on to any desperate hope they can find. They have let the likes of Maxine Waters drive this ridiculous impeachment conversation to the place where they have forgotten the American people. In the meantime, we continue to run up debt like drunken sailors, but no one pays attention to that because of the smelly politics in the whole thing. It makes me glad to be a citizen of heaven and to be serving the one true King.