[jlisenbe]

[paraclete]

Yes when will you get it, it is bad when you start measuring the poverty rather than the prosperity. The poor elect socialists because they are sold a promise of something for nothing, they have nothing so it is attractive, they can afford it.

[jlisenbe]

The poor elect socialists because they are sold a promise of something for nothing, they have nothing so it is attractive, they can afford it.

Well said.

[talaniman]

Or the conservative right latching on to a wall Mexico is going to pay for, and pressing America to pony up. That's okay, talk that socialist stuff is bad all you want, but little difference between capitalism, communism, and socialism, as practiced in China or Russia really, since an elite few control who gets what, while they hoard the greatest chair of the prosperity and live in opulence.

Another form of slavery, be they homogenized or diverse.

[paraclete]

Or the conservative right latching on to a wall Mexico is going to pay for, and pressing America to pony up. That's okay, talk that socialist stuff is bad all you want, but little difference between capitalism, communism, and socialism, as practiced in China or Russia really, since an elite few control who gets what, while they hoard the greatest chair of the prosperity and live in opulence.

Another form of slavery, be they homogenized or diverse.

And yet you would wish to exchange one form of slavery for another

[jlisenbe]

That's okay, talk that socialist stuff is bad all you want, but little difference between capitalism, communism, and socialism,

Completely untrue. You don't understand the differences between the three, and in fact communism is not in the same category as capitalism and socialism.

[talaniman]

Are you semantically challenged or something? All 3 systems function identically unless you can articulate the differences besides language.

[paraclete]

Are you semantically challenged or something? All 3 systems function identically unless you can articulate the differences besides language.

Yes they all require government control

[jlisenbe]

Are you semantically challenged or something? All 3 systems function identically unless you can articulate the differences besides language.

Fifteen minutes on the internet and you will see that your statement of "all 3 systems function identically" is totally, 100% untrue. If you go out in public and try to tell people that capitalism and socialism "function identically", you will be met with laughter.

[talaniman]

You didn't answer the question on what are the differences. Should I assume you don't see any either? If so please articulate if you can. Now I can say maybe there was a time we were different, but have we sunk to the same cronyism, and nepotism, that plaque their societies? Have we established our own oligarchy with capitalism as they have? Laugh and dismiss it with popular misconceptions grown over years and decades, and fed by old wounds and old rhetoric.

So if you see a difference articulate it.

[jlisenbe]

You didn't answer the question on what are the differences.

Where did you ask the question?? But now that you have, the difference is ENORMOUS. Capitalism is an economic system which uses private ownership of the means of production. Socialism is an economic system which uses state ownership of the means of production. So in a capitalist system, I can own my own farm or my own business, but not in a socialist system. Most of the so-called socialist systems in Europe actually use a mixture of the two.

Communism is a political theory.

So I guess I just saved you your fifteen minutes of doing this for yourself.

[talaniman]

Communism is practiced as a reality, and your farm and business is subject to being taken by a richer more ambitious American. 15 minutes on the internet is a start I suppose but you still get an F for research. I still see no difference in the ruling class elites and their cronies sucking the economy dry and the rest of the population waiting for the crumbs to trickle down.

The only difference is our military is everywhere.

[jlisenbe]

Communism is practiced as a reality, and your farm and business is subject to being taken by a richer more ambitious American.

What on earth are you talking about?? That is a completely false statement.

15 minutes on the internet is a start I suppose but you still get an F for research.

Says the man who has no idea how capitalism and socialism are different and did nothing whatsoever to find out how they are different.

[talaniman]

So tedious waiting for you to catch up. Do your own homework you slacker. Look we can debate, or throw rocks. Makes me no difference my friend.

[jlisenbe]

Again, says the man who thought socialism, capitalism, and communism were all the same thing. We can't debate until you get that figured out.

[talaniman]

I will put my years of observation against your 15 minute Google searches anytime. In fact here is a link to check out and has other links to add to the debate. All three systems have merits and flaws, but all three work for the country. Comes down to the humans that manage them.

https://keydifferences.com/differenc...socialism.html

In my opinion the leaders of all three govern the same way ruthlessly and selfishly. That makes them the same! Even in Europe the economics are shady and rigid. Thats the basic flaw is trying to distribute the wealth based on the values of the few. (Elite rulers who can enforce their RULES, by force, economics and muniipulation of those economics.)

I will let you parse the semantics any way you please. I stand behind my assertion that they are all the same, as at this time for whatever reason it has not evolved as yet to better behavior toward the masses they govern.

[paraclete]

I will put my years of observation against your 15 minute Google searches anytime. In fact here is a link to check out and has other links to add to the debate. All three systems have merits and flaws, but all three work for the country. Comes down to the humans that manage them.

https://keydifferences.com/differenc...socialism.html

In my opinion the leaders of all three govern the same way ruthlessly and selfishly. That makes them the same! Even in Europe the economics are shady and rigid. Thats the basic flaw is trying to distribute the wealth based on the values of the few. (Elite rulers who can enforce their RULES, by force, economics and muniipulation of those economics.)

I will let you parse the semantics any way you please. I stand behind my assertion that they are all the same, as at this time for whatever reason it has not evolved as yet to better behavior toward the masses they govern.

So by your theorm, it is all an illusion perpetrated by the elites to let us think we have control. Communists call themselves democracies yet the voice of the people is not heard and the population is enslaved, while democracies (ie; rule by elected representatives) call themselves capitalists and enslave the population by economic means

[talaniman]

YUP! You nailed it. Campaign financing has taken the power from the people and put it squarely with rich guys and the lobbyist that serve them.

[jlisenbe]

I will put my years of observation against your 15 minute Google searches anytime.

Based on what I've seen from your years of observation concerning economic systems, I'm comfortable with that.

[talaniman]

It's not the system, it's the humans who manage it that causes the issues. My personal observation is other societies and government are rapidly catching up with our ways, and ain't taking our crap and have crap of their own to pursue. More than economics plays into it. To see them as inferior is a big mistake. To see us as superior is a bigger mistake.