[jlisenbe]

We are like an alcoholic in that respect. Addicted to deficit spending.

[talaniman]

I'm sure electing a dufus with more bankruptcies than you have kids is really going to solve that problem.

[jlisenbe]

Says the man who twice voted for the biggest deficit spending pres in recorded history.

[talaniman]

Says the man who twice voted for the biggest deficit spending pres in recorded history.

And left the dufus with a great economy after a great depression.

[waltero]

Facts don'y change peoples minds...that's a fact.
The Democrats and Republicans have had this ongoing feud for some time now.
It is nothing more than Democrats acting like sore losers...The entire world seen it, the entire world knows this to be fact.
Let the Democrats eat it. Nobody really cares what Trump is involved in, nothing will come of his "involvement in illegal activities...believe that.

Either way your just siding with one side of a feud.

There is a good reason why Obama/Hillary lost.
The democrats are just trying to save face.

Trump is our President. Let the Man do his Job, even if the Democrats don't want to do theirs.

[jlisenbe]

And left the dufus with a great economy after a great depression.

1. There was no depression. You are still living in your fantasy world.
2. There was no "great" economy left for Trump. More fantasy.

Facts would be helpful here. Truth is, Obama had the worst post-recession recovery in American history.

[talaniman]

1. There was no depression. You are still living in your fantasy world.

So the whole world was psycho and you're not? Dude, the evidence in this case is irrefutable.

2. There was no "great" economy left for Trump. More fantasy.

Stability in the world economy and the 6 solid years of job creation is a myth? Dude, could the dufus come in with high unemployment and financial disaster and save the whole world? He has yet to be tested other than play coo-coo to dictators, appointing a scandalous cabinets, and lying and talking crap while he enriches his friends to the tune of trillions in deficits, and worse the interest on the debts that YOU holler about. Obamas deficits not just from the Bush wars, but tax cuts for the middle class and STATE building projects, which created JOBS. Look it up for yourself and stop just engaging in hate speech against a former president who inherited a holy MESS, while you heap praise on a lying cheating dufus who spreads rumors and take the credit for what already was happening.

Believe all the lies you want but the DEVIL is in the truth!

3. Facts would be helpful here. Truth is, Obama had the worst post-recession recovery in American history.

Yeah he did, but repubs share that blame as much as he does. We would have a 20 year deficit reducing middle class jobs program at low interest rates had repubs approved his infrastructure bill in 2011! Look it up yourself since LINKS are so hard for you to comprehend.

Your so called facts are nothing but right wing loony talking points that reek of hypocrisy and LIES based on FEAR, and not facts.

[paraclete]

My Tal you do get upset, but the issue really is that the president isn't responsible for recession or recovery, these things are part of an economic cycle and all you can hope for from a president is he points towards a goal.

[jlisenbe]

There was no depression and no one says that except Tal. There was a recession, but nothing worse than what Reagan faced and with him as pres the economy turned around and did remarkably well WITHOUT an even bigger deficit causing infrastructure program.

Yeah he did, but repubs share that blame as much as he does. We would have a 20 year deficit reducing middle class jobs program at low interest rates had repubs approved his infrastructure bill in 2011!

That's the problem with democrats. It is always someone else's fault, except this time it's someone else's fault in bold text.

So we would have a deficit reducing federal spending program with low interest rates? How would that reduce the deficit??

[paraclete]

I think you know the answer, but socialists never understand that the government doesn't have to do anything

[waltero]

I thought this was a good read.


QUOTE:

That the essence of politics is the "struggle" and that no one can cancel out the distinction between friends and enemies.
Understanding of politics as a distinction between friends and enemies and his preoccupation with the state unity which may be attained by identifying and persecuting the enemy, is a direct attack on liberal ideology". end quote.

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]https://www.libraryofsocialscience.com/assets/pdf/Petrovic-Enemy.pdf[/FONT]


Enemy as the essence of political.

[talaniman]

There was no depression and no one says that except Tal. There was a recession, but nothing worse than what Reagan faced and with him as pres the economy turned around and did remarkably well WITHOUT an even bigger deficit causing infrastructure program.

Reagan raised taxes as many times as he cut them to deal with debts and deficits but economic recovery was slow in coming in certain sectors of the economy. Wages were stagnant for years and inflation was high back then.

That's the problem with democrats. It is always someone else's fault, except this time it's someone else's fault in bold text.

So we would have a deficit reducing federal spending program with low interest rates? How would that reduce the deficit??

Unlike repubs who screw the money away and blame everybody else? Federal building programs have not just helped with the debt and deficits they allow states to leverage federal dollars for long term infrastructure upgrades and improvements. Those are some good jobs if you were paying attention.

Or maybe you're in the wrong state.

[jlisenbe]

Reagan raised taxes as many times as he cut them to deal with debts and deficits but economic recovery was slow in coming in certain sectors of the economy. Wages were stagnant for years and inflation was high back then.

Here is average GDP growth by pres. Note that Obama is dead last.

Johnson (1964-68), 5.3%
Kennedy (1961-63), 4.3%
Clinton (1993-2000), 3.9%
Reagan (1981-88), 3.5%
Carter (1977-80), 3.3%
Eisenhower (1953-60), 3.0%
(Post-WWII average: 2.9%)
Nixon (1969-74), 2.8%
Ford (1975-76), 2.6%
G. H. W. Bush (1989-92), 2.3%
G. W. Bush (2001-08), 2.1%
Truman (1946-52), 1.7%
Obama (2009-15), 1.5%

As far as inflation went, during Carter's last three years, inflation was 9, 13, and 12%. During Reagan's first five years it was 9, 4, 4, 4, and 1%. The country was able to grow out of the Carter recession while controlling inflation at the same time. Amazing. And it was done without adding 9 tril to the federal debt.

Now to be fair, Reagan had less success with the unemployment rate. It peaked at almost 11% in 83 before beginning a five year slide to around 5% in his last year.

If there is any chart that should thoroughly alarm all of us, it is the rapid accumulation of federal debt over the last twenty years.

[talaniman]

Well you got the data correct even if your interpretation leaves much to be desired. Are we back to using links yet, or just YOURS?

Why does your chart stop at Obama? Must be older data that hasn't been updated yet.

[waltero]

As noted before; "People Don't listen to facts".
There are studies that prove this to be true.
Also, Sticking within ones own Political groups, talking to like minded people creates dopamine in your brain...your brain!


I don't ever remember Politics becoming part of a person's Identity...when did this take place;

It might have started during, the global anti-terrorist struggle, the search for and persecution of terrorists as mortal enemies of liberal democratic societies, started by the US-led western states in the aftermath of September 11.

It now seems people take political argument, positions, defeat etc. as though it is a personal attack on there person...go figure.


Back on topic:


If not for the "God Factor", Trump, alone (and he was alone) could not have won the Presidency. Who else but God could have influenced such a great feat!
Now we all know that Trump is kind of an Ignoramus. But you see, it is said that God will use the "foolish" things of this world to confound the wise.
So you see, those of you who think your wise, and believed Hillary to be a winner...and she was a winner according to every standard known to man. You (in fact we all do) stand confounded, perplexed by the Stupidity of it all.


It is no small thing that we stand with Israel once again. Standing with Israel, holds a blessing from God.

Had Obama, and the Democrats not separated (imposed a curse on themselves) from Israel, there would have been no need for prayer, hence Gods interaction.

I guess we could say; The World made Hillary a sure winner and Israel made her a sure/sore loser.
Israel effects the entire planet and all who reside in it.

[paraclete]

As noted before; "People Don't listen to facts".
There are studies that prove this to be true.
Also, Sticking within ones own Political groups, talking to like minded people creates dopamine in your brain...your brain!


I don't ever remember Politics becoming part of a person's Identity...when did this take place;

It might have started during, the global anti-terrorist struggle, the search for and persecution of terrorists as mortal enemies of liberal democratic societies, started by the US-led western states in the aftermath of September 11.

It now seems people take political argument, positions, defeat etc. as though it is a personal attack on there person...go figure.


Back on topic:


If not for the "God Factor", Trump, alone (and he was alone) could not have won the Presidency. Who else but God could have influenced such a great feat!
Now we all know that Trump is kind of an Ignoramus. But you see, it is said that God will use the "foolish" things of this world to confound the wise.
So you see, those of you who think your wise, and believed Hillary to be a winner...and she was a winner according to every standard known to man.
You (in fact we all do) stand confounded, perplexed by the Stupidity of it all.


It is no small thing that we stand with Israel once again. Standing with Israel, holds a blessing from God.

Let me say that we must stop blaming God for the mistakes of man. There is no doubt God appointed leaders in Israel but if you read the accounts many of them were flawed individuals who failed. Trump is no different so whether God made it possible or not, the outcome has been a very mixed bag.

Yes, it is important to be on the right side of history, oppose evil and sow into God's agenda and protection of a small nation in the midst of its enemies is no different. Trump has been successful in avoiding unwanted confrontation with North Korea and is therefore more deserving of a peace prize than that poser Obama but let us stop giving out Peace prizes until peace is actually achieved because tearing up international treaties aimed at limiting the spread and quantity of nuclear weapons seems foolish to me. Is this what you mean when you seek to say God uses the foolish things

[jlisenbe]

Well you got the data correct even if your interpretation leaves much to be desired.

Uhm... all I gave you was data. I left the interpretation up to you.

[talaniman]

Your data is not current nor complete, as while the debt has gone up faster than revenues the last decade or so, there have been many systematic tinkering and costly circumstances that require factoring in.

[jlisenbe]

Your data is not current nor complete, as while the debt has gone up faster than revenues the last decade or so, there have been many systematic tinkering and costly circumstances that require factoring in.

If I was an Obama voter, that would be the excuse I would use. Not sure which excuse factors into having the lowest GDP growth of any pres including Reagan, who inherited a situated every bit as bad as that which Obama faced.

[talaniman]

That's inaccurate,

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-b...ercent-3306296

Reagan INCREASED the debt by 186% Obama 74%