[paraclete]

Yep, all those possible crimes we have to investigate to find out if they are crimes because there are no facts just intrepretation. We know Trump is crooked because we have never caught him, too good to be true

[talaniman]

All you need is probable cause to start an investigation. The cops do it all the time on ordinary citizens. Often at the word of a snitch. So how do you know there is no probable cause, or a snitch? I think getting a few criminals for lying and offering a lighter sentence for information that turns out true falls in that category.

Cohen seems to have documentation for all his allegations He may need more lawyers.

[paraclete]

Probable cause, you mean an open door, or an open window. Lying lawyers can't be probable cause because lawyers are in the profession of lying. We have some serious ruptions here over lawyers who are informants, lots of serious criminals will have to be retried and are being released

[talaniman]

Manafort was slapped on the wrist with a 47 month prison sentence, showing no remorse, and falling well short of the federal sentencing guidelines. With good behavior it amounts to the same 3 year sentence Cohen got. Manafort still faces sentencing in another court next week.

Probable cause, you mean an open door, or an open window. Lying lawyers can't be probable cause because lawyers are in the profession of lying. We have some serious ruptions here over lawyers who are informants, lots of serious criminals will have to be retried and are being released

Probable cause is the reference to the investigators, law enforcement, not really the lawyers.

[jlisenbe]

Well, at least the courageous folks in the democrat party, faced with a Muslim member of congress who has made plainly anti-Semitic remarks, responded with a resolution calling out white supremacists. That's right. A muslim makes hateful remarks, so the liberal dems really made an example of her by passing a resolution filled with remarks about white supremacists. Guys, you just can't make this stuff up. What a lame bunch of cowards.

[tomder55]

Manafort was slapped on the wrist with a 47 month prison sentence, showing no remorse, and falling well short of the federal sentencing guidelines. With good behavior it amounts to the same 3 year sentence Cohen got. Manafort still faces sentencing in another court next week.


Originally Posted by paraclete
Probable cause, you mean an open door, or an open window. Lying lawyers can't be probable cause because lawyers are in the profession of lying. We have some serious ruptions here over lawyers who are informants, lots of serious criminals will have to be retried and are being released



Probable cause is the reference to the investigators, law enforcement, not really the lawyers.

The judge did not buy into Mueller's Gestapo tactics in this case . He correctly identified that the only reason Mueller even pursued this decade old tax case was to squeeze Manafort to give him dirt on Trump.

There is no "probable cause " in a counter intelligence investigation .The threshold is incredibly low leading to systemic abuse of power by the FBI. The low standards are not set by Congressional law ,but by guidelines set by the Attorney General. This isn't me talking . That is what Comey told Congress when he informed Congress .These standards can be raised or lowered at the whim of the AG . You can guess at the standards applied by the Loretta Lynch Justice Dept.

Preliminary investigations require only “information or an allegation,” and the allegation does not need to be “credible.” A 2010 Inspector General report found the FBI opened preliminary investigations on political advocacy organizations based on mere speculation that the subjects might commit a crime in the future, and the agents themselves often made the required “allegations.”https://oig.justice.gov/special/s1009r.pdf

[paraclete]

The gestapo at work

[jlisenbe]

And now we find that the dems spent 10 hours coaching Cohen before his testimony. The corruption of this whole deal is absolutely sickening. The dems hate Trump so deeply that they will stoop to any low in order to bring him down. The good news for Trump is that, compared to the dems, he is starting to look fairly normal.

[talaniman]

No he's not, and your idea of normal is abnormal, and ignores his whole history of borderline criminal behavior, and that's why you have so many investigations. Dems are trying to help him drain the swamp, beginning with his closest cronies and sycophants.

You are supposed to hate dufus bully tactics and why you do not is also a bit abnormal to me. No worries, his time is coming. Bad news for the dufus is the dems will do the job better than repubs did for two years.

[jlisenbe]

As long as they can continue to coach the "witnesses", I expect they might do OK.

[talaniman]

It's not the words, it's the verification of the words that counts. You know EVIDENCE! Can't coach that.

[Wondergirl]

As long as they can continue to coach the "witnesses", I expect they might do OK.

Would the Republicans have coached the witnesses before Hillary would have testified?

[jlisenbe]

It's not the words, it's the verification of the words that counts. You know EVIDENCE! Can't coach that.

And the evidence is... nothing. In fact, they can't even figure out what crime has supposedly been committed that they would have evidence of. They can only say, "We hate him!"

Would the Republicans have coached the witnesses before Hillary would have testified?

Did they?

[Wondergirl]

Yes, lawyers do prepare clients before testimony or deposition. Since you won't read links, here is the major part of this article:

The Dividing Line Between Preparing and Coaching a Witness for a Deposition

Whether you’re planning for a deposition or a trial, making sure your witness or client is properly prepared to answer questions is essential. You want your witness to project confidence and an air of trustworthiness for the jury. You also want his answers to help your case—or at least not help the opposing counsel’s case. In order to find a balance between all of these, you must put the time and care into preparing your witness.
Attorneys are expected to instruct their witnesses on how to behave during questioning, as well as how to properly and confidently give answers. Unfortunately, as with most things, the way an attorney instructs his witness can have consequences.
Prepare vs. Coach: The Two Sides of Witness Instruction

Although many layman would disagree, attorneys are ethical creatures. As professionals who uphold the law, they have strict codes of conduct when it comes to witness tampering and fraudulent behavior.
Unfortunately, the boundary line when it comes to preparing a witness can be easily missed if you’re not careful. As a result, an otherwise ethical lawyer may wind up crossing into the unethical land of coaching misconduct. This is why it is important to not only know the difference between preparing and coaching a witness, but also know how to avoid crossing the line.
Proper Preparation

When instructing a witness for questioning, the following tactics should be used to ensure an ethical preparation:

• Educate. Review and explain the legality of the issues at hand as well as the questioning procedure.
• Lay out a plan. Discuss how you’re going to question the witness. If the witness is your client, then you can also discuss how you’re planning on attacking the case and how his testimony will play into it.
• Encourage honesty by reassuring competence. This is your opportunity to make sure that the witness knows that he must stick to honest facts, and it isn’t his responsibility to alter facts to improve your case. It’s your job to make whatever he says work for the case—whether good or bad, as long as it’s honest.
• Build confidence. Reassure the witness that he has nothing to fear as long as he is honest.
• Lessen confusion. Discuss how questioning works and how the opposing counsel may try to trip him up with legal jargon or confusion. Provide tools to lessen that confusion such as telling him to repeat or rephrase the question.
• Rehearse potential questions. Help the witness get comfortable with the process of answering questions in order to avoid nervous stuttering or anxiety.
• Provide support. Give your witness all of the encouragement and support he needs to feel comfortable during questioning.

https://www.casamo.com/preparing-vs-...sition-ethics/

[jlisenbe]

Yes, lawyers do prepare clients before testimony or deposition. Since you won't read links, here is the major part of this article:

Except in this case Cohen was not a witness for the democrat party. He is supposed to be telling the truth to the entire committee. The democrats were not attorneys defending their client, and it is not the same thing as preparing a client for a case.

[talaniman]

Except in this case Cohen was not a witness for the democrat party. He is supposed to be telling the truth to the entire committee. The democrats were not attorneys defending their client, and it is not the same thing as preparing a client for a case.

How do you know he isn't telling the truth NOW, in light of the documents he presents as evidence of his veracity? Like the checks he writes to Cohen.

[jlisenbe]

How do you know he isn't telling the truth NOW, in light of the documents he presents as evidence of his veracity? Like the checks he writes to Cohen.

How do you know he is? That's the whole problem. All we have is the testimony of a man who is going to prison because of his earlier testimony which turned out to be untrue. The Trump haters will believe him because he feeds their narrative.

[talaniman]

"Trust but verify" King Ronald Reagan.

I'm sure Mueller, prosecutors, and the congress agrees, except for repubs who protect the biggest liar in history and want NO investigation whatsoever.

[jlisenbe]

I'm sure Mueller, prosecutors, and the congress agrees, except for repubs who protect the biggest liar in history and want NO investigation whatsoever.

Agree on what? How could you be sure of what Mueller agrees to? Are you part of his team?

Political prejudice. That's all it is. It's against Trump, so they are bound to be right about whatever it is they are right about because, after all, they are right.

[talaniman]

Verifying his information of course. He has a good track record so far draining the swamp of liars, cheaters, and criminals that worked for yo' dufus who MOST Americans don't like.