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paraclete · Jan 18, 2019, 07:00 AM

Ok let's go down this road

Who is for the wall, fence or whatever?

Who is against the wall waiting to be shot?

Who doesn't want the wall?

talaniman · Jan 18, 2019, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Tal, you admit you voted for him, and by default his policies. He is legally President pursuing a policy his predecessors pursued.
Therefore those who lost need to get over it and get on with it.

The dufus won Texas by 9 points in '16, but no American who didn't vote for him will just roll over and kiss his ring. Repubs didn't do that for Obama did they? Of course not, because that's just NOT how it's done here. There is no get over it, just get busy, and get after it.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Why are you saying that Texans are now against the wall?

The border elected officials and landowners say NO WAY, and are gearing up for one helluva court battle if the dufus tries that crap. This was from last year,

https://www.star-telegram.com/opinio...142164639.html

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/04/0...e-trumps-wall/

And

https://riograndeguardian.com/south-...lent-rhetoric/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46815569

Plenty of embedded links from the locals to back up that a wall ain't happening.

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2019, 05:47 AM

They decided to open a counter intel investigation to cover the illegal one they had been conducting since the spring of 2016 .

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 06:00 AM

It's not easy figuring out how to best investigate a known lying cheating dufus. He is surrounded by loyal sycophants. They better get the government open before Super Bowl Sunday, or they run out of donated food.

http://fortune.com/2019/01/18/how-th...r-bowl-travel/

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 06:03 AM

Texas voted overwhelmingly for Trump who energetically advocated for the construction of a wall, but Texans oppose the building of the wall. Right. That's really believable.

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2019, 06:06 AM

It's not easy figuring out how to best investigate a known lying cheating dufus.

It doesn't help them when their first impulse was to conduct an illegal investigation against a political opponent during an election contest

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2019, 06:16 AM

"Impeachment" was said more than 200 times on CNN & MSNBC even though they couldn't confirm the story.

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Texas voted overwhelmingly for Trump who energetically advocated for the construction of a wall, but Texans oppose the building of the wall. Right. That's really believable.

Texas is a consistently overwhelmingly republican voting state any way. Wall or no wall, and we've been dealing with Mexicans a lot longer than most parts of the country, and they do work their illegal a$$es off. Even the dufus employs illegals at his golf courses, and other properties, has for decades, and doesn't care what country they are from. Look it up for yourself.

What you think illegals are just from Mexico, or central America? Or is it just those you object too?

Originally Posted by tomder55

It doesn't help them when their first impulse was to conduct an illegal investigation against a political opponent during an election contest

From my understanding it was predicated on words, deeds, behavior, and past history.

Originally Posted by tomder55

"Impeachment" was said more than 200 times on CNN & MSNBC even though they couldn't confirm the story.

So was the words "IF the story is true" as a clear disclaimer. Did get a lot of folks excited though. Can you blame them? Bet the dufus had a cow in the White House.

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 07:05 AM

This is a sample of the iron-clad evidence put forth that Trump knowingly employs illegals. "You know, the truth is I have a lot of illegals working for me in Miami,” he told them, using the term for undocumented immigrants those in the meeting found offensive. “You know in Miami, my golf course is tended by all these Hispanics — if it wasn’t for them my lawn wouldn’t be the lawn it is; it’s the best lawn,” Pacheco recalled Trump saying.

It always seems to come down to what some lib "recalls" Trump saying. Never any real evidence, just innuendo.

When are you liberals ever going to understand the concept of "evidence"?

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 07:17 AM

It doesn't have to be iron clad, just a preponderance of the facts. It's a matter of PUBLIC record, and HISTORY and you would acknowledge it if you stopped holding your nose since the election is over.

https://hillreporter.com/trumps-new-...migrants-16923

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-1-million-hi/

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...t-workers.html

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2019, 07:43 AM

From my understanding it was predicated on words, deeds, behavior, and past history.

keep believing that . The emperor and Evita needed a pretext to spy on the Trump campaign . They paid to get salacious ,unverified and outright false information from Christopher Steele as opo research. With that info they enlisted cronies in the intel and justice dept to start a counter intel investigation under the code name 'Cross Fire Hurricane ' 100 days before election day . They needed a pretext to get FISA warrants to spy . So they used the fact that Carter page ;sometimes as an American asset had contact with Russians . The FISA court granted the warrants without so much as a proper hearing on them.

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 10:06 AM

As my friend JL would say where's the evidence and since repubs are and were in power, how could they have dropped the ball on all those right wing hollering points? Hope we do better with the dufus!

tomder55 · Jan 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

It is long past time that the public was told exactly what the president is alleged to have done, and how strong the evidence is that he has done it. Over 2 years and Mueller has not even disclosed that Trump is the subject of an investigation . The only reason he even responded to the BuzzFeed story was because the leak was said to have come from his office .

jlisenbe · Jan 19, 2019, 11:34 AM

just a preponderance of the facts.

You've got things mixed up. In civil cases, which these are not, the case is decided by a preponderance of the evidence. In criminal cases the prosecution must prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, and that's a much higher standard. Considering the virtual absence of evidence that Trump was involved, I'm afraid your cherished hope will not come to pass.

paraclete · Jan 19, 2019, 02:19 PM

Absence of evidence is not absence of guilt but reason for absence of prosecution. Trump cannot deny attempting to conduct business in Russia and that means cullision in something to get things done. However this process no doubt started before he became a political candidate and vulnerable. If you want to do business in Russia it is important to have backing of important people. Trump is an international businessman, he is guilty of stepping outside the US to do business

talaniman · Jan 19, 2019, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You've got things mixed up. In civil cases, which these are not, the case is decided by a preponderance of the evidence. In criminal cases the prosecution must prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, and that's a much higher standard. Considering the virtual absence of evidence that Trump was involved, I'm afraid your cherished hope will not come to pass.

I stand corrected and the dufus is a crook well beyond a reasonable doubt. He has lost in court before and will lose again, because sooner or later we will find that Vlad has been loaning the dufus family money for decades after American banks refused him a penny after he stiffed them so many times.

There is no absence of evidence on that count.

Originally Posted by paraclete

Absence of evidence is not absence of guilt but reason for absence of prosecution. Trump cannot deny attempting to conduct business in Russia and that means cullision in something to get things done. However this process no doubt started before he became a political candidate and vulnerable. If you want to do business in Russia it is important to have backing of important people. Trump is an international businessman, he is guilty of stepping outside the US to do business

See above, but check Lincoln out in this pic.

paraclete · Jan 19, 2019, 07:26 PM

Tal, you are dreaming again, if there was evidence of a financial relationship it would have emerged by now. Money transfers are monitored and recorded and money laundering, the illegal transfer of money, is a crime and would have appeared on the horizon by now. Trump is guilty of being dumb but not that dumb

talaniman · Jan 20, 2019, 04:00 AM

A simple Google search would inform you of the details of an ongoing investigations into the world of white collar crimes and the sleazy people that commit them.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...s-raided-trump

It's not like they leave stuff out in the open for the law to find.

tomder55 · Jan 20, 2019, 06:29 AM

After nearly two years of investigating, on top of a 10-month FBI probe he inherited, Mueller needs to show his cards. 3 years is more than enough time. Put up or shut up .

jlisenbe · Jan 20, 2019, 06:57 AM

After nearly two years of investigating, on top of a 10-month FBI probe he inherited, Mueller needs to show his cards. 3 years is more than enough time. Put up or shut up .

They need to put NCIS on it. They can get it solved in 50 minutes.