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paraclete · Jan 3, 2019, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Athos I already established the fact that there are moves the government would have to make to extend the border fencing already built (hmmm how did the government manage to get over all the obstacles to build about 600 miles already ? ) There are natural barriers that do not need a physical barrier because they are barriers themselves .
The $5 billion Trump is asking for is spit in the ocean that amounts to a rounding error in the budget .NY spent almost $4 billion to build one bridge across the Hudson River . Massachusetts spent $24 billion to dig a tunnel .The Federal Government spent $25 billion annually maintaining vacant buildings and property . Billions more are wasted in the Federal Budget for various reasons that could easily be redirected . I am shocked the Dems have chosen this ant-hill to take a stand on;especially when what they could get in the negotiations would make this a victory for them.

Yes Tom and not the mention the billions that just disappeared in various wars, he could use the defence budget or even CIA black money already approved but no he is doing it the right way

tomder55 · Jan 3, 2019, 02:25 PM

talaniman · Jan 3, 2019, 02:48 PM

Open the government back up and we talk! It's that simple. We will see how this plays out. Amazing how the repubs with full control of the congress couldn't get it done. Now you want the dems to do what feckless repubs could not. Or you would rather not pay the border patrol or coast guard while talks continue.

Personally I would give this administration a damn dime until he accounts for the loot he has already gotten.

jlisenbe · Jan 3, 2019, 03:13 PM

Open the government back up and we talk! It's that simple.

Now that's really good. "Cave in and give us what we want, and then we can talk about what you want." Good luck with that.

Amazing how the repubs with full control of the congress couldn't get it done.

Agree completely. It's a disgrace that the republicans have so little courage.

talaniman · Jan 3, 2019, 04:08 PM

Repubs don't want a wall either. Certainly not Texans

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/s...152402734.html

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-dai...d-trumps-wall/

http://lonestarliberty.net/alert-joh...er-wall-video/

And

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07...n-you-cant-do/

Perry has long been a critic of building a wall or fence along the border. In 2011, during his first failed run for president, he called for "strategic fencing" along parts of the border.“If you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good," Perry said at the time at a campaign stop in New Hampshire.

tomder55 · Jan 3, 2019, 05:15 PM

Or you would rather not pay the border patrol or coast guard while talks continue.

Sorry ;those agencies are essential . How about instead of that we lay off some non-essential government employees instead of giving them deferred pay ? The Dems seem to forget that the government serves us and not the other way around.

Repubs don't want a wall either. Certainly not Texans

This is not a state issue .

tomder55 · Jan 3, 2019, 05:26 PM

Perry has long been a critic of building a wall or fence along the border. In 2011, during his first failed run for president, he called for "strategic fencing" along parts of the border.“If you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good,"

I addressed El Paso comment #13

In El Paso ,a metal fence put up in Bush years has dramatically curtailed illegal crossings by 89% from Juarez .El Paso went from one of the most dangerous cities in America to one of the safest

paraclete · Jan 3, 2019, 06:41 PM

So walls work and government employees don't, do you see the irony in this

tomder55 · Jan 3, 2019, 08:01 PM

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jlisenbe · Jan 3, 2019, 09:08 PM

So walls work and government employees don't, do you see the irony in this.

Now that's a good one!

talaniman · Jan 3, 2019, 11:27 PM

Well the new house has passed bills to fund government with no wall money, and feckless Mitch says he will not vote on a bill the president doesn't approve of, even though they are the same bills the senate passed last month. Two repub senators have already come out to support the house bills. More to follow?

paraclete · Jan 3, 2019, 11:31 PM

So what does it all mean, high stakes poker or slight of hand

talaniman · Jan 3, 2019, 11:48 PM

It's a game of chicken.

paraclete · Jan 4, 2019, 05:23 AM

Yes, but you see Trump is unaffected, he has played such games for a long time, whereas he is hurting madam's power base, what do politicians do when there are no public servants

Athos · Jan 4, 2019, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

How about instead of that we lay off some non-essential government employees

Like Donald Trump? He's about as non-essential as you can get.

tomder55 · Jan 4, 2019, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55
How about instead of that we lay off some non-essential government employees

Like Donald Trump? He's about as non-essential as you can get.

All we can do is make our recommendation November 2020 . It's funny that they furloughed non-essential Federal workers and it applies to most of the Federal work force

talaniman · Jan 4, 2019, 11:15 AM

That includes the garbage collectors and cleaning the essential workers bathroom. Essential and non essential workers are as subjective as it gets, and a job not done affects the whole in some striking ways. As this drags out we will see that, as those non essentials have bills to pay.

You should not in my opinion expect government to act a business or corporation.

tomder55 · Jan 4, 2019, 02:07 PM

Look ;DC makes a fortune off tourist visiting the Capitol . Same with the gateway cities into the national parks . For the time of the shut down they should do the maintenance Or shut the parks down and lose the tourist business. It is as simple as that . What you are witnessing is the tragedy of the commons . When everyone owns it ,no one does . All you guys can think of for solutions is make the taxpayer who may never use the parks pay for it with their taxes .

paraclete · Jan 4, 2019, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

That includes the garbage collectors and cleaning the essential workers bathroom. Essential and non essential workers are as subjective as it gets, and a job not done affects the whole in some striking ways. As this drags out we will see that, as those non essentials have bills to pay.

You should not in my opinion expect government to act a business or corporation.

Tal you are a communist at heart, all workers are essential, some are just more useful than others. So a few drones don't get their toilets cleaned, it is a tradegy. You should expect government workers to act

talaniman · Jan 6, 2019, 08:13 AM

Clete, in America honest work for honest pay is the NORM, and expected. TSA, Border Patrol, and the Coast Guard not being paid on time is ludicrous, and even more insane that they will be expected to work for free until congress steps up and over rides the lunacy of this lying cheating dufus.

Or is the dufus afraid of his loony right wing? They love hostage stand offs.