[arcura]

talaniman,
I went there and saw that.
I do believe that Allah is NOT the God Almighty mentioned in the Hoy Bible.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[NeedKarma]

arcura and Retrotia,
Your god is not a true one, just a fake idol invented by man

Cheers,

Me.

[DUKE-OF-URL]

arcura and Retrotia,
Your god is not a true one, just a fake idol invented by man

Cheers,

Me.

Your so funny

[talaniman]

talaniman,
I went there and saw that.
I do believe that Allah is NOT the God Almighty mentioned in the Hoy Bible.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

Your assumption doesn't fly in the face of the facts. Sorry but if it's the God of the same bible, how can they be different? Are you rejecting the tenets of your own bible as put forth in the old testament? Or are you rejecting the fact that you and the muslims are alike except for the traditional dogma that is found in all religious sects? Or has God given you permission to have your own church?

[ScottGem]

talaniman,
I went there and saw that.
I do believe that Allah is NOT the God Almighty mentioned in the Hoy Bible.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

Fred,
I am glad that you are comfortable and comforted by your beliefs. I do have to agree with Talaniman, that they do contradict the fact that both the New Testament and the Koran follow-up on the Old Testament. The fact that the God who you believe fathered Christ is the same God that is mentioned in Genesis. The fact that the Allah referred to in the Koran, is also the same God mentioned in Genesis.

But if you want to believe differently then I can respect that. But I must, again, ask that you respect my beliefs.

[Retrotia]

Dear ScottGem,
I am glad you're feeling better today as your response is more readable & reasonable.

I hope you will respect that I do not believe that Allah is the same God as in the Bible.

I respect that many Muslims do believe that- but with some knowledge on the subject- I personally believe they need Jesus for their salvation.

I'll let you have the last word- however, I'd like you (and all) to start to read up on the history of the Koran & Mohammed.
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Have a pleasant day!

[talaniman]

Sorry this article will tell you nothing, but the slanted propaganda of one who is not a scholar, nor an authority and if you believe it as fact, you need to at least do more research.

I personally believe they need Jesus for their salvation.

They like you are awaiting his second coming.

Okay what's the real reason that some christians cannot reconcile their relationship with islam, or judaism for that matter?? Do you feel superior or what??

[ScottGem]

Dear ScottGem,
I am glad you're feeling better today as your response is more readable & reasonable.

I hope you will respect that I do not believe that Allah is the same God as in the Bible.

I respect that many Muslims do believe that- but with some knowledge on the subject- I personally believe they need Jesus for their salvation.

I'll let you have the last word- however, I'd like you (and all) to start to read up on the history of the Koran & Mohammed.
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Have a pleasant day!

Excuse me? My responses are almost always readable and reasonable. I'm feeling no better or worse then I did when I posted my previous responses.

I do respect your right to believe how you wish. I always have. I took a look at the page you linked to and the first question it asks leaped out at me:

Why did Allah convey his revelations to Angel Gabriel and this Angel had to carry Allah's revelations to Muhammad in such an indirect monologue, as stated in the Quran?

So the Quran states that Allah spoke to Gabriel. But isn't Gabriel an Archangel considered a messenger of God from the Book of Daniel? Isn't he considered similarly in the New Testament. Since all three religions consider Gabriel as a messenger of God, then it stands to reason, all three refer to the same God.

Let me separate this out for. Lets look at this form the standpoint of what is fact and what is belief. It is a fact, irrefutable, that the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran refer to the same entity (call it Jehovah, God, Allah or whatever) as their god. An reading of those writings confirm that.

However, whether one believes that Allah truly made a devine revelation to Mohammed, or that Christ is the son of God that is a different issue. As a Jew, I believe neither. I respect your right (and Fred's) to believe in Jesus. But please try to separate what is fact from what is belief.

[speedball1]

stay away from religion get close to Jesus

This come real close to bigotry concerning other religions. This site is no place to proselytize a certain religion or belief. Look at ALL religions Retrotia and pick the one you're most comfortable with. Or you can study religions as I did and pick none at all. Good luck in whatever you decide. Tom

[Allheart]

These threads on religion, always seem to perplex me. God is all about love and in some post, seems to be the furthest thing evident. Sorry, not being judgemental here, just an observation.

Hate to break it to everyone, but God loves us all. No such thing as your God, my God, his God, to me, and only my opinion, there is a God, and He is loving, kind and merciful. He loves all of us no matter what religion is stamped on our forehead.

To me, all religions are like different roads that lead to God.

Nothing is more scarey to me, than someone getting so angry and dare I say unkind, when they are trying to "convince" someone that their God is the only God and their religion is The religion. Not something I would want to sign up to.

I respect all faiths and I know that all faiths believe and worship God.

Others will be more apt to hear what you have to say, when it is done in a loving way. I am just so amazed at the level of upset that is demonstrated in some of these threads, when the subject matter is about God and religion.

[arcura]

NeedKarma,
Thanks for you OPINION.
I disagree with it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[NeedKarma]

As I with yours Fred.

Feel the love,

NK

[Allheart]

As I with yours Fred.

Feel the love,

NK

Now that made me smile :) :D - It's all about feeling the love. :D

[Skell]

Frankly I find the above rather hypocritical. You preach peace and kindness at the same time that you promote intolerance. I just don't understand how you (or anyone) can reconcile that. Either you practice what you preach or admit to yourself that you are intolerant and antagonistic.

Here here. All his comments are so intolerant and anything but full of peace and kindness. It is people with attitudes like his and who makes statements such as his that makes me completely disenchanted with religion sometimes.

[Allheart]

Sometimes that happens Skell. This is just my opinion from what I have seen and also just though the years what I have been taught.

Evil has a funny way of circling around those who have strong faith, to try and weaken them. Does that make sense. Temptation and evil will tend to knock very heavily on the door of those trying to so very hard to live a God fearing life. Evil and temptation are not going to waste time with those who have already fallen or who are non believers. Evil will try and take away any glory from God and any glory from good to discourage others from having faith.

Does any of the above make sense to anyone :)

[Skell]

These threads on religion, always seem to perplex me. God is all about love and in some post, seems to be the furthest thing evident. Sorry, not being judgemental here, just an observation.

Hate to break it to everyone, but God loves us all. No such thing as your God, my God, his God, to me, and only my opinion, there is a God, and He is loving, kind and merciful. He loves all of us no matter what religion is stamped on our forehead.

To me, all religions are like different roads that lead to God.

Nothing is more scarey to me, than someone getting so angry and dare I say unkind, when they are trying to "convince" someone that their God is the only God and their religion is The religion. Not something I would want to sign up to.

I respect all faiths and I know that all faiths believe and worship God.

Others will be more apt to hear what you have to say, when it is done in a loving way. I am just so amazed at the level of upset that is demonstrated in some of these threads, when the subject matter is about God and religion.

Allheart,

Spot on as always. If only some of the people here and most others around the world thought like this then we would all be a lot better off. But sadly as exhibited here by a couple of people it is impossible for them to think in such a way. They are too scared to think this way. They are scared people in my opinion. They are hiding. From what I'm not sure but you can see it in there words that they are frightened people hiding behind rhetoric they aren't actually certain of. I feel sorry for them actually.

I still haven't seen any thoughtful and respectable answers to any of Tal's or Scott's quite legitimate questions raised here. They have no answer.

Well said Allheart. All you need is love.

[Skell]

Sometimes that happens Skell. This is just my opinion from what I have seen and also just though the years what I have been taught.

Evil has a funny way of circling around those who have strong faith, to try and weaken them. Does that make sense. Temptation and evil will tend to knock very heavily on the door of those trying to so very hard to live a God fearing life. Evil and temptation are not going to waste time with those who have already fallen or who are non believers. Evil will try and take away any glory from God and any glory from good to discourage others from having faith.

Does any of the above make sense to anyone :)

Of course it makes sense Allheart. Very good sense. You will notice I added to word "sometimes" to the end of my post. Sometimes I become disenchanted. :)

[Allheart]

Oh I know Skell. And how can you not. Sometimes it's like you feel you are being hollered at. As though the oppositive of love is coming at you, and it can be very scary.

[Skell]

Scary. YES. That's a good word to use Allheart. Sometimes I do feel scared with the way people come at you. And not scared for myself. Scared at what they are capable of.

[Retrotia]

It isn't about feeling any love. Unconditional love is about putting someone else's interest ahead of our own no matter what they do. I don't find that to be the situation when Jesus tells us to love one another. I believe that we love one another conditionally.
Loving one's neighbor means not doing him any harm.
So you can stop with the mushy love stuff- because it is not sincere-and looks like the only thing to do is to try to like one another.
I appreciate your response Speedball. I have studied other religions like you & I have found the one I love. It wasn't because of studying it either- but rather because I had a Burning Bush experience or God moment-similar to St. Paul in the New Testament.
I'm sorry you didn't have a similar experience, but I am not proselytizing-it's called evangelizing-if I do any of those at all.
Basically, this is a touchy subject for all I conclude. I'm not offended. I pasted some links & responded to an O.P. that had no religion to call her own. I tried to deter her from taking Islam.

Oh no! She has another link she thinks I might be interested in. Peace be with you.
Do all religions lead to God