[talaniman]

You could try to stop listening to right wing loony racists. Seriously though, the thought of your grandkids looking like the people you kicked and dogged out for a few centuries can be rather traumatic.

[Athos]

Hard to know which piece of fake news to believe isn't it

Not so hard if you do your due diligence and don't parade expressions from Trump like "fake news" which immediately reveals your true inclinations.

Guess we'd have to visit and check it out for ourselves. I tend to believe the preponderance of info that says Sharia isn't a big deal there..

I've already visited. I lived in Dearborn for a year representing my company with the big three automotives. Ford is headquartered in Dearborn.

Walking down the street you would never suspect that Dearborn is anything but a typical American midwest city. I'm sure there were mosques there when I was there but I never saw them. I never knew the religion of my neighbors. I can guarantee you there was no Sharia law there. There were good restaurants - probably due to Ford HQ being there.

I was aware that an Arab-American community thrived there, but nobody cared much about that then. If memory serves, most of the Arabs were Christians (Maronite Catholics) and had been in Dearborn since the 1920s. They were drawn to work in the automobile plants with the children of many becoming executives and managers.

It's true that over the years Muslims from the Middle East have tended to come to Dearborn, especially in the last ten years with wars in Yemen and Syria. Recently, the alt-right has targeted Dearborn as a hotbed of Muslim intrigue and terrorism without a scintilla of proof. It's simply the way the alt-right operates.

It's a bit like blaming Boston with its heavily Irish population being a setting for terrorists planning on bombing the Brits. During "The Troubles", an IRA member may have landed in Boston seeking money or recruits but there's never been any record of such an event. The Boston Irish-Americans went about their business just as the Dearborn Arab-Americans have done.

[talaniman]

Can anybody answer the question of why the members of congress and state officials are denied access to these immigrant detention centers? The first lady wasn't denied access. What's wrong with that picture?

Scott demands answers about immigrant center for children as Nelson alleges federal 'cover up' - Sun Sentinel

[paraclete]

Can anybody answer the question of why the members of congress and state officials are denied access to these immigrant detention centers? The first lady wasn't denied access. What's wrong with that picture?

Scott demands answers about immigrant center for children as Nelson alleges federal 'cover up' - Sun Sentinel

Tal it's an election year and obviously these politicians want the publicity for being seen to be caring. So why should they be allowed to grandstand?

You hear that all the ho ha about the kid in the picture was false the kid wasn't taken away from the parent. it is no wonder trump talks about the MSM creating fake news and this time they succeeded in their objective. Government by media, it's a bad scene

[talaniman]

Makes sense Clete since the Mad Dufus King fancies himself a dictator who answers to no one. Shortly after posting my question though delegates of democrats did get into some facilities and of course they came away blasting the MDK's policy. The repubs were nowhere to be found though except the old line establishment types who called for the Dufus Cult to be reduced this election.

We'll see.

[Wondergirl]

So why should they be allowed to grandstand?

And the First Lady accomplished what?

[talaniman]

And the First Lady accomplished what?

A cutie patooty photo op, with an ill timed(?) fashion statement, what else?

[paraclete]

Who knows, a photo op?

[Athos]

You hear that all the ho ha about the kid in the picture was false the kid wasn't taken away from the parent.

You're right and I'm sorry I posted it. It was obviously photoshopped and DID make a valid point, but it was misleading in that the child was assumed to be one of the lost ones. He wasn't. TIME is supporting its decision but I think they're defending a weak position.

In any case, this is not even remotely a "proof" of fake news in the sense Trump has been trumpeting for a few years now. His definition of fake news, to remind you, is news that criticizes him! Even if it's truer than true, it's still fake!

The MSM from time to time will be in error but the difference is that they admit it. Colludin' Donald is incapable of admitting error.

[paraclete]

The MSM from time to time will be in error but the difference is that they admit it. Colludin' Donald is incapable of admitting error

It begs the question; How much more of what we are expected to believe as news is fake, made up or "error". Too much propaganda which is exactly what this was. Inexcusable

[Athos]

It begs the question; How much more of what we are expected to believe as news is fake, made up or "error". Too much propaganda which is exactly what this was. Inexcusable

Nothing inexcusable about it - as I said, its point is perfectly valid.

If you're looking for inexcusable, try Colludin' Donald for the last 30 or 40 years. The man is a walking "Vesuvius of mendacities" as George Will so aptly put it as the former Republican urged the nation to vote Democratic in the 2018 elections.

[tomder55]

Fact. The US economy is dynamic enough to accommodate the immigrants. Another FACT is that we actually NEED MORE.

So how many 'displaced people' have you taken into your home ? How many refugee children have you adopted ? What you mean is that you want someone else (preferably a rich person ) to pay for your empathy .

[talaniman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourte...s_Constitution

The Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people, including all non-citizens, within its

jurisdiction

. This clause has been the basis for many decisions rejecting irrational or unnecessary discrimination against people belonging to various groups.

Stick with your rhetoric like the Mad King Dufus wants you too, and indulge yourself in CHAOS. I prefer the LAW to establish Good Orderly Direction. Did you object when Cubans touched our land and were afforded our protection?

[tomder55]

yeah I know ;that is why you have to stop them BEFORE entry .Afterwards you have no choice but to round them up and detain them until due process is provided . What do you want ? The emperor's catch and release ? Maybe you want these 'displaced ' kids rounded up /detained according to the law ,and then handing them off to unvetted foster care like the emperor was doing ?

[paraclete]

Round them up and bus them back, that's the Trump plan

[tomder55]

To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum . There is no fee to apply for asylum.


btw that photo is fake news. That girl was NOT separated from her mother .

[Wondergirl]

To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum . There is no fee to apply for asylum.


btw that photo is fake news. That girl was NOT separated from her mother .

And they were handing out the forms at the border and were patiently helping asylum seekers fill them out....

That photo could have numbered in the 1,000s of other babies, toddlers, and kids who were torn from parents' arms.

[paraclete]

Pure rhetoric, it was a lie what does it feel like to be sucked in

[talaniman]

Well that's a dumb statement since your state run TV must not carry all the news from here

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ren/716016002/

Or pictures





But what does a hardliner like yourself care about how humans are treated.

[tomder55]

from your link ..................

Pena added that the young boy in the photograph, the son of a friend, had wandered into the cage where older children were demonstrating and became upset when he saw his mother on the other side of the structure. The child was promptly taken out of the cage, he said.