[tomder55]

The headline says it all . From the NY Times (not an alt right publication )

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/1...k-you-are.html

Liberals are trapped in a self-reinforcing cycle. When they use their positions in American culture to lecture, judge and disdain, they push more people into an opposing coalition that liberals are increasingly prone to think of as deplorable. That only validates their own worst prejudices about the other America.

[talaniman]

Written by a conservative who sides with racists not because he is one, but mad at the liberals for throwing him in the same pot as them. Sounds like an excuse to keep lying with the dogs and b1tching about the fleas. Enlighten me oh great conservatives as I wonder how you can vote for a lying cheating racist and not be one?

Naw, we don't have to be smart anymore, just motivated against what we hate like conservatives are.

[tomder55]

You proved Gerard Alexander's point . Good job.

[tomder55]

You need to read this to understand what really happened in 2016 .

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Revolt-...e+great+revolt

[paraclete]

Naw, we don't have to be smart anymore, just motivated against what we hate like conservatives are.

What turned you into a hater Tal? Did someone overturn your view of the world?

[talaniman]

I hate lying, cheating, and bullying.

[tomder55]

yeah; Ashtabula Ohio voted for Dukakis, Bubba twice ,Gore ,and the emperor twice by 55% before voting for Trump 57% .All those people suddenly became racist in 2016 after voting for the emperor twice before ? Or maybe the Russian helped Trump steal those votes ?

The same thing happened all over the country .

The Dems need to understand the real reason why Evita lost instead of your insulting characterizations of Trump supporters . 35 counties in Ohio alone had the same 25 point or more swing . 23 counties in Wisconsin ;32 counties in Iowa ,12 in Michigan all went from supporting the emperor to voting for Trump. Was that racist too ?

What all these places really have in common is that for the most part ,the swamp creatures that make their living ruling over us could care less about the people who live in these counties .

[Athos]

Colludin' Donald bought the election transferring all those payments from Cohen's pay-to-play schemes to his Russian pals who used the loot to undermine the US democratic process. Thanks, Trump, you bum!

[paraclete]

I hate lying, cheating, and bullying.

Well Yes, me too, no one needs that. However both sides of politics do that one way or another

[Athos]

Well Yes, me too, no one needs that. However both sides of politics do that one way or another

The right-wing does it enormously more than the other side. Take it from me, an independent, who has voted both sides over the years depending on the issue, not on the party.

Starting with Clinton's joke of an impeachment, the right wing began its slide to never-never land. Then on to repeal of Glass-Steagel (Democrats colluding) and Bush squandering the healthy financial position he inherited by cutting taxes for the rich (sound familiar?) and debt financing a criminal war in Iraq based on faulty information (or, worse, deliberately false info).

Eight years of Republican Bush mismanagement brought us directly into the Great Recession, the likes of which had not been seen in generations. Eight years of Democrat Obama's administration began and continued a recovery that continues to this day, and for which Colludin' Donald takes credit. A simple look at the numbers will belie the false claims of Trump taking credit.

Then there's the swamp Trump has created with his various crooked appointees. Reptiles who are dedicated to dismantling the very agencies they were appointed to head. Never in the history of the US has an administration been so corrupt. These creeps are transferring the taxes of Americans directly into their pockets. A $43,000 phone booth! Indeed!

So, no, it's not both sides doing it one way or another. It's the Republican Right who have given new meaning to corruption and incompetence.

I have only touched on the tip of the iceberg. It would take pages to list all the malfeasance of this gang of criminals.

[paraclete]

A voice crying in the wilderness

[talaniman]

yeah; Ashtabula Ohio voted for Dukakis, Bubba twice ,Gore ,and the emperor twice by 55% before voting for Trump 57% .All those people suddenly became racist in 2016 after voting for the emperor twice before ? Or maybe the Russian helped Trump steal those votes ?

The same thing happened all over the country .

The Dems need to understand the real reason why Evita lost instead of your insulting characterizations of Trump supporters . 35 counties in Ohio alone had the same 25 point or more swing . 23 counties in Wisconsin ;32 counties in Iowa ,12 in Michigan all went from supporting the emperor to voting for Trump. Was that racist too ?

What all these places really have in common is that for the most part ,the swamp creatures that make their living ruling over us could care less about the people who live in these counties .

I never implied all those that voted for The Dufus are racists but have stated Trumpism is a coalition that includes racists. An important distinction. Yes include the desperate and those in the rust belt who have rightfully become despondent caught in the changing tide of technological transition, and those that have passed over the obvious moral and ethical flaws of the Dufus, to support him. It was as much a slap against the established republican party as it was against Hillary.

The right, and Alt right were starving for the red meat The Dufus throws at them, so of course they slobber at his feet but they make wake up when their tax cut get eaten up by rising prices, and the feckless foreign trade policy that will bit all of US in the butt.

I asked...who votes for a lying, cheating, racist?

Other racists, the desperate, the disenfranchised. Unfortunately, The Dufus has conned them, but they wont know that until their pockets are empty.

[talaniman]

The right-wing does it enormously more than the other side. Take it from me, an independent, who has voted both sides over the years depending on the issue, not on the party.

Starting with Clinton's joke of an impeachment, the right wing began its slide to never-never land. Then on to repeal of Glass-Steagel (Democrats colluding) and Bush squandering the healthy financial position he inherited by cutting taxes for the rich (sound familiar?) and debt financing a criminal war in Iraq based on faulty information (or, worse, deliberately false info).

Eight years of Republican Bush mismanagement brought us directly into the Great Recession, the likes of which had not been seen in generations. Eight years of Democrat Obama's administration began and continued a recovery that continues to this day, and for which Colludin' Donald takes credit. A simple look at the numbers will belie the false claims of Trump taking credit.

Then there's the swamp Trump has created with his various crooked appointees. Reptiles who are dedicated to dismantling the very agencies they were appointed to head. Never in the history of the US has an administration been so corrupt. These creeps are transferring the taxes of Americans directly into their pockets. A $43,000 phone booth! Indeed!

So, no, it's not both sides doing it one way or another. It's the Republican Right who have given new meaning to corruption and incompetence.

I have only touched on the tip of the iceberg. It would take pages to list all the malfeasance of this gang of criminals.

Couldn't have said it better.

[tomder55]

umm the repeal of Glass Steagel was signed by Bubba in 1999 . Bubba still says it's repeal had nothing to do with the financial crisis of 2008 .

[Athos]

umm the repeal of Glass Steagel was signed by Bubba in 1999 . Bubba still says it's repeal had nothing to do with the financial crisis of 2008 .

Umm yourself.

If you want to reply to what I write, please first read what I wrote.

1- I included the Democrats in the repeal of Glass-Steagal.
2- Clinton's comments on Glass-Steagal are irrelevant.
3- If you are implying Clinton's position is mine, I did not write anything like that in my post.

[talaniman]

The fed and the big banks had repealed Glass Steagall long before Clinton got in office by deregulation and loopholes that allowed the takeover of small banks by the big wall Street crew. A classic example of an end run around the law. The real cause of the crisis was the PRODUCTS that some banks came up with that the law FAILED to regulate.

Don't even get me started on history is repeating itself right now as we speak, amidst the greatest extraction of wealth we have seen so far. And this isn't bi partisan by any stretch. Just my two cents.

[tomder55]

The real cause of the crisis was the PRODUCTS that some banks came up with that the law FAILED to regulate.

NAH the real problem was the unintended consequences of liberal feel good policies like laws for home ownership for people who can't afford to own homes . You can thank guys like il duce Andrew Cuomo for that .

[talaniman]

I will ignore the name calling, and respectfully submit that everyone that pays rent can benefit from homeownership and the sand in the wheels are the greedy capitalists that feel entitled to make money from it with all kinds of tricks and traps they call requirements.

Some profit is understandable and expected but many times it's a down right swindle. That's what crashed the global markets.

[tomder55]

everyone that pays rent can benefit from homeownership

maybe they can benefit and maybe not . The growing trend here is the new generation has no desired to be tied down by home ownership. But that is not what I said . Regardless of the benefit ownership brings ;they could NOT afford it. The different instruments the financial industry created was attempts to comply with regulations created to increase home ownership. The libs with their feel good polices did a disservice to both the people who got suckered into buying homes they could not afford ;and at the same time planted the seeds for the financial crisis.

[talaniman]

Not surprised you defend your greedy capitalist heroes that caused the financial meltdown, and snookered millions of people. Sure blame it on the liberals. That's also the right wing MO! If the banks have played it straight and HONEST, we wouldn't be here.