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Apr 19, 2007, 10:46 PM
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Your sincere question is a sign that you are in the quest for truth and will be accepting of it when it is presented to you. May God bless your pure intentions and guide us all to the straight path.
Islam is a verb and literally means submitting to the will of God in peace. This is unlike most of the major religions that are named after a person or place, e.g. Judah-Judaism, Christ-Christianity, Buddha-Buddhism, Indus Valley-Hinduism, etc. So Islam is an active verb and the one who submits is a doer of Islam or an Islamer. In Arabic there is a prefix 'mu' like the suffix 'er' in English. So a Mu-islam or Muslim is one who submits his/her will to the will of his Lord. All the Prophets sent by God to guide humanity from the time of Adam to Noah to Abraham to Moses to Jesus and Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all) were muslims in the true sense because they devoted their lives to the God's mission - to take mankind from darkness to light!
Ready to DO Islam? :)
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Apr 20, 2007, 07:44 AM
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My answer will be simple to you. You should worry about which religion to choose because God won't judge you by your religion but by the kind of life you are living. I suggest that you pray to God with a sincere heart and ask Him to give you guidance. Don't let anyone trap you by convincing to join their religion. God is not in religion but inside of His people.
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Apr 20, 2007, 12:19 PM
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fitnahpolice,
To answer your question, "Ready to do Islam?"
My answer is a definite NO!
I am already committed to the one true Triune God of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, there is no other.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
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Apr 21, 2007, 11:38 PM
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 Originally Posted by arcura
fitnahpolice,
To answer your question, "Ready to do Islam?"
My answer is a definite NO!
I am already committed to the one true Triune God of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, there is no other.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
So you're not ready to submit your will to the will of God? :confused:
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Apr 22, 2007, 02:59 AM
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 Originally Posted by fitnahpolice
so you're not ready to submit your will to the will of God? :confused:
Not yours ;)
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Apr 22, 2007, 03:46 AM
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 Originally Posted by fitnahpolice
so you're not ready to submit your will to the will of God? :confused:
Another totally biased and also an intolerant statement. I, for one, am not willing to submit MY will to any entity. I prefer to exercise my own will.
And just because I don't believe in YOUR interpretation of the "will of God", does not mean I don't have my own interpretation that I adhere to.
Islam, like Christianity, is still based on the Old Testament. The "will of God" was expressed in the Ten Commandments and everything else has stemmed from them. I believe, that as long as I follow those commandments, I will be considered a moral, righteous person. In the eyes of God and the eyes of my fellow beings. I don't need to adhere to a lot of minute rules about how to live my daily life to be the kind of person that I believe God and I want me to be.
One of the qualities that I believe God wants me to show is tolerance.
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Apr 22, 2007, 04:22 AM
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 Originally Posted by fitnahpolice
so you're not ready to submit your will to the will of God? :confused:
The God that I understands requires no submission, but gives me free choice to follow his guidance.
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Apr 22, 2007, 08:55 AM
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When Fitna police mention about hinduism , he says it is connected with indus valley. But the original name OF hinduism is not hinduism, it is SANADHANA DHARMA- means ETERNAL VALUES.
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Apr 22, 2007, 09:05 AM
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 Originally Posted by CaptainForest
That statement is so flawed Fr Chuck. From that statement, you are saying that the Jewish religion has gotten it all wrong. Jews don’t believe in hell.
And you made my point. Organized religions do differ from Christians to Jews to Islam to etc. No one knows which one is really right. Although there will be some people who believe that their way is the right way.
Jews believed in "sheol" where the dead live in shadows this was where your soul would stay in eternity. However jews now believe that you are judged and are then sent to places like heaven and hell
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Apr 22, 2007, 09:22 AM
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Be nice if us humans could understand each other, and get the same language, as the small things become lost in the translations it seems, and its hard to know if your on the same page or not.
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Apr 22, 2007, 11:55 AM
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fitnahpolice,
Long ago I submitter to the one and only true God who had a son named Jesus.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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Apr 22, 2007, 03:45 PM
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fitnahpolice and arcura, One day you may have to live with the fact you both have the same God, Especially since you both concede there is only ONE!
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Apr 22, 2007, 04:53 PM
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talaniman,
Maybe so.
But
That ain't necessarily so.
There is really only one true God, any others as fakes.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
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Apr 22, 2007, 05:04 PM
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Same bible same God
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Apr 22, 2007, 05:18 PM
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 Originally Posted by arcura
There is really only one true God, any others as fakes.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
Frankly I find the above rather hypocritical. You preach peace and kindness at the same time that you promote intolerance. I just don't understand how you (or anyone) can reconcile that. Either you practice what you preach or admit to yourself that you are intolerant and antagonistic.
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Apr 22, 2007, 06:15 PM
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 Originally Posted by ScottGem
Frankly I find the above rather hypocritical. You preach peace and kindness at the same time that you promote intolerance. I just don't understand how you (or anyone) can reconcile that. Either you practice what you preach or admit to yourself that you are intolerant and antagonistic.
Frankly, I find your response very critical & angry. I think acura speaks his peace rather well.
You have only to lose your anger & find a happy place. Admit to your own self that your accusations toward acura are something you dreamed up-& that you are being selfish!
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Apr 22, 2007, 06:36 PM
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 Originally Posted by Retrotia
Frankly, I find your response very critical & angry. I think acura speaks his peace rather well.
You have only to lose your anger & find a happy place. Admit to your own self that your accusations toward acura are something you dreamed up-& that you are being selfish!
Excuse me? Please explain to me the logic that says you can promote peace and kindness at the same time you preach antagonism and intolerance? Do you deny that that someone who says there is only one true god and that's the Christian one is being intolerant of other religions? Do you deny that when you tell someone their religion is wrong, you are attacking their beliefs?
If you can reconcile those things with preaching peace and kindness, I would certainly like to hear it.
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Apr 22, 2007, 07:25 PM
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I think you are guilty of exactly what you are saying of someone else. Acura has a right to his beliefs also.
You are not showing any peace or kindness. You are describing what you hate- & it's pointed towards another.
If you don't want to hear it- change the channel.
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Apr 22, 2007, 08:30 PM
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 Originally Posted by Retrotia
I think you are guilty of exactly what you are saying of someone else. acura has a right to his beliefs also.
You are not showing any peace or kindness. You are describing what you hate- & it's pointed towards another.
If you don't want to hear it- change the channel.
Boy have you got me wrong. I don't know where you get the idea that I hate anything here. I respect Fred's beliefs. I am very glad that he is happy and comforted by his beliefs. I have not, nor will I ask him to believe anything different. But that's where the big difference lies. I respect his beliefs, but he doesn't respect mine. I don't challenge his beliefs. I don't say his beliefs are wrong. I only ask that he acknowledge that other people are entitled to have their own beliefs. I ask that he show tolerance for their right to believe differently than he.I ask that, if he truly believes in peace and kindness, that he not attack what others believe.
I asked, in my previous response, that you explain what logic there is in preaching peace and kindness, yet showing antagonism and intolerance. I asked if you can deny the actions I cited. I notice that you did not respond to that.
All I ask is that others show the respect for my right to believe the way I choose. As I respect their rights to do the same. I simply maintain that ANYONE who preaches peace and kindness but continually attacks the beliefs of others is being hypocritical.
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Apr 22, 2007, 09:31 PM
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The only thing I see here is my christian brothers, balking at admitting that they worship the same God as my muslim brothers. That was the question, not this personal stuff. What's the problem?
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