[paraclete]

New Zealand has weighed into the Australian refugee crisis

New Zealand slams Australia over Manus Island refugee crisis

It appears the NZ PM, newly elected, wants to shirt front Turncoat over his turning down an offer to resettle 150 refugees from Manus Island, from the Australian point of view there is no way to ensure that those refugees won't find their way to Australia in the future in contravention of Australian immigration policy. NZ sees this as humanitarian gesture, but Australia sees it as opening the door for refugees boats to commence again. The refugees on manus may yet find their way to the US under the deal done with the Obama administration. Meanwhile the refugees are trying to force the hand of the Australian government. The refugees can resettle in Papua New-Guinea but don't feel welcome, not living among inferiors and all that, a problem for muslims

[smoothy]

Well. They can go back home and fix the problems that THEY created... beggars can't be choosers... as far as Papua New Guinea, I think the inferiors aren't the natives there.. but the other way around. Why can't they move to another one of their Islamic Utopias...oh, that's because none exist, and never will.

[talaniman]

Build a wall, and make new Zealand pay for it! Wonder way you guy's haven't thought of it already.

[paraclete]

Build a wall, and make New Zealand pay for it! Wonder way you guy's haven't thought of it already.

We have an 1,800 km wall, it is called the Tasman Sea, it is free, but we have good relations with the Kiwi, it is just that Kiwi citizenship would be a path to Oz. Tal, we don't have a wall mentality, our thinking is very much on law enforcement and our law says these guys have broken our law and are not welcome

[paraclete]

Well. They can go back home and fix the problems that THEY created... beggars can't be choosers... as far as Papua New Guinea, I think the inferiors aren't the natives there.. but the other way around. Why can't they move to another one of their Islamic Utopias...oh, that's because none exist, and never will.

Smoothy, our point exactly, but the thinking of these muslims is they can do whatever they want and no one is entitled to stop them, They won't go back where they came from. The islamic utopias don't want them, but we see through them many are economic migrants having plenty of money to pay people smugglers and they passed though those islamic utopias on their way. We have offered to put them on a plane and give them a departure bonus, they can go to Cambodia, they don't want to do that, they just want to pack themselves into our overcrowded cities, not our wide open spaces

[smoothy]

Don't give them a choice... relocate them home by force.

[paraclete]

Don't give them a choice... relocate them home by force.

I think you might have heard of the UNHCR, forcible relocation isn't their idea of international law enforcement, we would gladly deport the lot of them immediately upon arrival but we too are party to these international treaties and in fact we take refugees in restricted numbers but not those who break our laws or might be terrorists or combatants in various conflicts

[smoothy]

Well the UN is a less than worthless organization. And every nation has the right to determine who can and can't come there.

[talaniman]

Where are these refugees from exactly?

[paraclete]

Where are these refugees from exactly?

Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and just about anywhere in the Muslim world, I doubt most are true refugees, the fact that they have money to pay people smugglers belies that claim

[talaniman]

How many refugees are we talking about since your latest immigration crisis only refers to 150 with many to follow. There is no nation on Earth that has never had to deal with immigrants and refugees from destabilized war torn areas.

Why did your father migrate to Australia and did he have money? No answer needed, as even Smoothies people ran away from their homeland to America. Seems immigrants would have empathy for other immigrants and not be as quick to slam the doors after they have ESCAPED whatever they were running from in the home country.

That's why it's laughable to suggest they left paradise, and should go back and fight for the home country, when the ones suggesting such a notion didn't either (Or their kinfolk) when they had the chance. I guess some people just keep forgetting where they came from. Or maybe hate to be reminded of their ROOTS.

[paraclete]

Tal there are about 600 "detainees" on Manus Island and 369 on Nauru. These people are not immigrants but people who have breached our borders and are no different to your illegal immigrants. All came by boat using people smugglers. The difference here is we lock them up and don't allow them access to the community. The deal with Papua New Guinea is they can settle there. Over the recent years more than 50,000 have been dealt with. Those on Manus Island are uncooperative and refuse to leave the centre that has closed. Other recently constructed accommodation is available. The reason they are uncooperative is that the new facility will not have security fences and guards

I will answer you even though you don't want an answer. My father came as a child as part of an assisted migration program before the first world war. They were poor but there were opportunities. As far as fighting for the home country that is exactly what my grandfather did and he paid the price, so it is not too much to ask able bodied men from the middle east to do the same thing

[talaniman]

So lack of security is the obstacle of resolution? That doesn't seem so insurmountable given the size of the opposition.

[paraclete]

And then if will be the quality of the food or the availability of transport or the locals are the wrong colour or no mosque. The strange part is that australians could live happily among the papuans before independence and the rest of what I would say is unprintable

[talaniman]

Humans! If it ain't one thing it's another.

[paraclete]

Yeh Muslims they are never happy

[talaniman]

Does that apply to those 50,000 you have already taken in, or the 600 you are b1tching about?

[paraclete]

Does that apply to those 50,000 you have already taken in, or the 600 you are b1tching about?

Both, yes just my perspective on the Muslim problem as a whole. I didn't say we took the 50,000 in but that's the number we have processed through these centres because they took the sea route with people smugglers. If we had been stupid enough to resettle them here they would still be coming just as they are in Europe. We deprived the people smugglers of a product to sell, and we deprived a lot of corrupt Indonesian officials of their payoffs

[talaniman]

And you may have deprived innocent people aa chance at a better life.

Just sayin'

[paraclete]

And you may have deprived innocent people a chance at a better life.

Just sayin'

People yes, innocent, no. Most of these people have been shown to be economic migrants, not refugees, and we have a process by which economic migrants might come here, and you just have to join the queue, have the right qualifications. We already have enough camel drivers, taxi drivers, street sweepers, subsistence farmers, dole bludgers, general layabouts, shopkeepers, day labourers. What we need are doctors, rocket scientists, town builders, entrepreneurs. What we don't need are unskilled people who will swell our overcrowded suburbs, exist off welfare, allow the development of an underpaid underclass, force up the demand for available affordable housing.

Unlike your own fair land, we never hung out a sign saying gives us your great unwashed.

Just sayin'