[excon]

Hello again,

Couple things..

Of course Voter ID disenfranchises voters.. That's WHY right wingers do it. Ever hear of FEDERAL Voter ID laws? Well, you're GONNA.

The scariest thing about Trumps tweet, is that he GOT that stuff from infowars.com.. He WON'T take an intelligence briefing from the intelligence professionals, but he'll take one from conspiracy nut, Alex Jones.

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[smoothy]

Geez Smoothy your boy King Donald is the scoundrel in office along with the corrupt repubs in the house and senate, yet not a peep from you about any of that!

Get over it already!

tal, long serving Democrats have said they want Illegals to have a right to vote. Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi only two of them. And they are in states that do not ask for any id when registering or voting. Surprise, surprise. Illegals, non-citizens and others who have lost their right to vote are the only ones trying to be prevented from voting. The ONLY people who oppose a voter ID requirement are those who want people whop have ZERO right to vote, to cheat and commit vote fraud. You can't do it in Mexico... or any other country in the world... except maybe Australia.

You either want fair elections or you want wholesale vote fraud... there is no middle ground.

If ONE person votes illegally that one person too many.

[smoothy]

That doesn't answer my question. Why isn't there voter ID? A picture ID would be good enough? In Libraryland, for a new patron to get a library card, we ask for a picture ID and a utility bill or lease or mail addressed to the patron.

There isn't want because certain historically Democrat areas feel above the law and encourage breaking it. Wikileaks proved what many of us have been saying for years... Democrats are committing massive vote fraud by a number of tactics.

And for those claiming suppression... you have to have an ID to enter ANY government office or courthouse NOW. That means you aren't going to the welfare office to apply for benefits without having a legal ID.

Drivers license is no longer good for that because places like Maryland and California to name two will give a license to anyone with no proof of residency OR Citizenship required.

And I got this FROM a Mexican who works for my brother... How to you tell if a Mexican is Illegal (in my Area)... if they have a Virginia License you know he's legal..(its VERY difficult to get a replacement if you do lose your wallet or purse). all the illegals in this area get their in Maryland who want no proof. And again... this is from a Mexican working in the Construction Business.

[Wondergirl]

There isn't want because certain historically Democrat areas feel above the law and encourage breaking it.

So fear of Democrats says there can be no such law? Like, I'm not going to clean house because it will just get messy again.

[Wondergirl]

Drivers license is no longer good for that because places like Maryland and California to name two will give a license to anyone with no proof of residency OR Citizenship required.

I just checked their DMV websites. Proof of residency and citizenship are required in order to get a driver's license or state ID.

[tomder55]

Trump tweeted that "millions voted illegally". Then why is Trump against the recount?

The Democrats loved the electoral college when there was a solid blue wall of states they would automatically win .Why are they so adamantly opposed to it now ?

The Dems insisted there was no such a thing as voter fraud. Why do they now insist that there was voter fraud in this election ?

[tomder55]

Why isn't there voter ID?

As best as can figure ,the Dems oppose it because they think it is form of voter suppression . The way I see it ;the only vote it suppresses is the illegal vote.

[tomder55]

Ever hear of FEDERAL Voter ID laws? Well, you're GONNA

Doubt it would survive judicial review . I don't think us conservatives would approve of it since the country is a Federal Republic ,and the constitution makes it clear that states run and generally regulate elections. States still get to determine eligibility to vote, as well as the time, place, and manner for running elections,the technology used, whether absentee or early voting is permitted, and how ballots are counted and elections run.

But then again; the Trumpster is no conservative and does not appear to be enamored with a limited national government with powers few and defined . So perhaps you are right .

[paraclete]

You can't do it in Mexico... or any other country in the world... except maybe Australia.

If ONE person votes illegally that one person too many.

Why are you slandering Australia? We have a very fair voting system with a voter ID check first by identifying yourself on the roll and if necessary validating that with ID and no dead voters. Our system is overseen by a federally appointed agency, no state politics can get in edgeways. If you adopted our system you would get a more representative result every time and be able to hold your politicians accountable at the polls

[smoothy]

I did't write this... I read it posted elsewhere.. but think it sats it all perfectly.

"maybe its fake but it sure speaks volumes.I'll let you decide


This was written by the brother of NY Times political columnist Maureen Dowd.


Donald Trump pulled off one of the greatest political feats in modern history by defeating Hillary Clinton and the vaunted Clinton machine.

The election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama: his fantasy world of political correctness, the politicization of the Justice Department and the I.R.S., an out-of-control E.P.A., his neutering of the military, his nonsupport of the police and his fixation on things like transgender bathrooms. Since he became president, his party has lost 63 House seats, 10 Senate seats and 14 governorships.

The country had signaled strongly in the last two midterms that they were not happy. The Dems’ answer was to give them more of the same from a person they did not like or trust.

Preaching — and pandering — with a message of inclusion, the Democrats have instead become a party where incivility and bad manners are taken for granted, rudeness is routine, religion is mocked and there is absolutely no respect for a differing opinion. This did not go down well in the Midwest, where Trump flipped three blue states and 44 electoral votes.

The rudeness reached its peak when Vice President-elect Mike Pence was booed by attendees of “Hamilton” and then pompously lectured by the cast. This may play well with the New York theater crowd but is considered boorish and unacceptable by those of us taught to respect the office of the president and vice president, if not the occupants.

Here is a short primer for the young protesters. If your preferred candidate loses, there is no need for mass hysteria, canceled midterms, safe spaces, crying rooms or group primal screams. You might understand this better if you had not received participation trophies, undeserved grades to protect your feelings or even if you had a proper understanding of civics. The Democrats are now crying that Hillary had more popular votes. That can be her participation trophy.

If any of my sons had told me they were too distraught over a national election to take an exam, I would have brought them home the next day, fearful of the instruction they were receiving. Not one of the top 50 colleges mandate one semester of Western Civilization. Maybe they should rethink that.

Mr. Trump received over 62 million votes, not all of them cast by homophobes, Islamaphobes, racists, sexists, misogynists or any other “ists.” I would caution Trump deniers that all of the crying and whining is not good preparation for the coming storm. The liberal media, both print and electronic, has lost all credibility. I am reasonably sure that none of the mainstream print media had stories prepared for a Trump victory. I watched the networks and cable stations in their midnight meltdown — embodied by Rachel Maddow explaining to viewers that they were not having a “terrible, terrible dream” and that they had not died and “gone to hell.”

The media’s criticism of Trump’s high-level picks as “not diverse enough” or “too white and male” — a day before he named two women and offered a cabinet position to an African-American — magnified this fact.

Here is a final word to my Democratic friends. The election is over. There will not be a do-over. So let me bid farewell to Al Sharpton, Ben Rhodes and the Clintons. Note to Cher, Barbra, Amy Schumer and Lena Dunham: Your plane is waiting. And to Jon Stewart, who talked about moving to another planet: Your spaceship is waiting. To Bruce Springsteen, Jay Z, Beyoncé and Katy Perry, thanks for the free concerts. And finally, to all the foreign countries that contributed to the Clinton Foundation, there will not be a payoff or a rebate.

As Eddie Murphy so eloquently stated in the movie “48 Hrs.”: “There’s a new sheriff in town.” And he is going to be here for 1,461 days. Merry Christmas."

[Wondergirl]

As best as can figure ,the Dems oppose it because they think it is form of voter suppression . The way I see it ;the only vote it suppresses is the illegal vote.

No, the Republicans always start demanding it shortly before a major election in order to eliminate various populations of voters. It's never mentioned otherwise.

Smoothy, Pence wasn't lectured at "Hamilton." It was a heartfelt plea. Even Pence graciously listened and realized the passion behind the words.

[smoothy]

Why are you slandering Australia? We have a very fair voting system with a voter ID check first by identifying yourself on the roll and if necessary validating that with ID and no dead voters. Our system is overseen by a federally appointed agency, no state politics can get in edgeways. If you adopted our system you would get a more representative result every time and be able to hold your politicians accountable at the polls

I said that because previously in this forum (wasn't this thread or even this month) you had said there is no voter ID in Australia.

If Australia actually has voter ID requirements then that makes EVERY other country in the world that requires it. There is no excuse why we don't have it here too EXCEPT to facilitate vote fraud by the left who are t he ones who fight against a voter ID.

[smoothy]

No, the Republicans always start demanding it shortly before a major election in order to eliminate various populations of voters. It's never mentioned otherwise.

Smoothy, Pence wasn't lectured at "Hamilton." It was a heartfelt plea. Even Pence graciously listened and realized the passion behind the words.

I saw it.. they were typical liberals who think they know more than everyone else talking down to Pence and everyone who did NOT vote for Hildebeast. And Votor ID is NOT voter supression... here or anyplace else in the world. EVERY other country requires a votoer ID to prevent wholesale vote fraud the DNC regularly participates in.

You don’t need a photo ID to vote, but you do need one to buy alcohol and cigarettes.
Despite what the left has said in the debate over Voter ID laws, it’s pretty clear that you need a photo ID to do pretty much anything, and The Washington Examiner has put together a long list.
You need one to open a bank account, or to apply for a job to fill that bank account.
You also need an ID to file for unemployment, and to apply for welfare, and Medicaid, and food stamps.
You need a photo ID to apply for Social Security
And to buy a home, and apply for a mortgage, or to rent a home.
You need a photo ID to drive a car, you need one to buy a new car, to buy a used car, heck, you even need one to rent a car.
You need a photo ID to get on an airplane, and you need one to get married, and you need one to check into a hotel room for your honeymoon.
You need a photo ID to buy a gun, and to apply for a hunting license and a fishing license, and even to adopt a pet.
You need a photo ID to pick up a prescription, you need one to buy certain kinds of cold medicine, and you need one to donate blood.
You need a photo ID to enter a casino, and you need one to buy lottery tickets.
You need one to buy a video game that’s rated M for Mature, and you need one to see a movie rated NC-17.
You need a photo ID to buy a cell phone and apply for a coverage plan and, in perhaps the greatest irony of the entire Voter ID debate, you need a photo ID to hold a rally or protest, such as a rally or protest against requiring a photo ID to vote.

[Wondergirl]

Smoothy, you must live in an alternate universe. I have rarely had to flash my ID or photo ID for any of those things you mentioned. ID to buy lottery tickets????

So now that the election is over, the Republicans should get that federal voter ID requirement made into law. Do I hear crickets?

[excon]

Hello smoothy:

It's NOT fake.. That is what her right wing brother thinks. I'm sure you think the same stuff.

excon

[ScottGem]

I did't write this... I read it posted elsewhere.. but think it sats it all perfectly.

This was written by the brother of NY Times political columnist Maureen Dowd.


Donald Trump pulled off one of the greatest political feats in modern history by defeating Hillary Clinton and the vaunted Clinton machine.

The election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama:

That last line show's the author's fantasy world. It is a fact that Clinton won the popular vote by a significant margin. Despite totally unproven claims of voter fraud, the certified results will give her about a 2 million vote margin. That is hardly a repudiation of anything. Trump would do well to understand that.

On the other hand, the author does make some valid points about the anti-Trump protests. Personally, I think the protesters have gone too far myself. But I believe that Trump has only himself to blame for it. The fact that he ran a campaign that promoted fear, bigotry, etc is what has engendered these protests. I would also suggest to the author that, had the results been reversed, I believe the protests would be larger and more violent.

But the bottom line here is that the President of the US serves the entire country, not just those who elected him. And Trump would do well to remember that he has not received a mandate to put forth policies for a minority of the citizenry.

[tomder55]

Smoothy, Pence wasn't lectured at "Hamilton." It was a heartfelt plea. Even Pence graciously listened and realized the passion behind the words.

Generally artists ,singers ,performers etc are not educated enough to make coherent arguments about political issues unless they memorize the script. Pence handled the incident perfectly . Free speech does not demand coherence. Brandon Victor Dixon demonstrated his ignorance and inconsistency by tweeting in the past some of the most vulgar inanities that reduce women to “ho’s” . He wrote that St Patty's Day is Christmas for black dudes who like white chicks.... the assumption being that a drunk white woman is an easy pick up. Collectively ,most of the cast of 'Hamilton' had not bothered to register, much less vote. Their political activism is as shallow as Colin Kaepernick’s .

Now I'll still go to see Hamilton once the price is right . From what I've seen ;it is a show I'll enjoy. .....or maybe I'll wait for the national tour hits my local theater . From what I hear ,they are advertising for "non-white " actors for the roles .

Attorney: ‘Hamilton’ Casting Call Violates City Human Rights Law « CBS New York

I say this to performers on both sides of the political divide .... in the words of Laura Ingraham ..... shut up and sing.

[Wondergirl]

This particular free speech after "Hamilton" was both eloquent and heartfelt. The play, about revolutionaries, has since greatly increased in popularity.

[tomder55]

No, the Republicans always start demanding it shortly before a major election in order to eliminate various populations of voters. It's never mentioned otherwise.

Nah ;that's when the Dems pay attention to it . Republicans have consistently tried to add common sense voter ID laws for years . I can't think of a legitimate reason to oppose it beyond the fact that they are cool with someone voting who is not eligible to do so.
Trump is most likely exaggerating about the impact in this contest . But voter fraud is real and bipartisan.
You should know that living in the Chi-town. Don't believe me ? Ask Chris Matthews ;who opposes voter ID ,and yet freely admits that voter fraud is a tradition in Philly . He even described how it happens . Poll watchers call up a registered person who hasn't voted and asks if they are going to vote .If that person says no;then someone else shows up to vote in their place . Arlen Specter served as a Penn Senator for both parties . He was in favor of voter ID laws ;especially after he investigated the activities of ACORN ,an organization that was submitting hundreds of thousands of fake voter registrations around the country . As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he unsuccessfully urged that a hearing be held on the ACORN scandal. He was shot down by Schmuck Schumer, who will now be the Senate Minority leader .
Every stolen vote cancels out one legitimate vote ;and that is the biggest crime of the issue. Even if it is not close to as widespread as Trump suggests ,it should be addressed with a clear way to guarantee that the person who is casting the vote has the right to do so.

[Wondergirl]

So why haven't the Republicans been successful?