[Wondergirl]

Did you read the article that I posted?

I get Salon.com in my email every day. I read that article when it first came out. "[H]e killed women because he resented them for not sleeping with him, and he killed men because he resented them for having the success he felt he was denied."

Did you see a Salon article today? 4chan and the Oregon shooter: What the suspicious thread says about a horrifying subculture of young male rage - Salon.com

[Precious7]

So if you ask me, God only lend us Jesus for 33 years and for an infinite being like him, 33 years is nothing! So really I am totally not impressed by what God has done to show his love for human kind.

The most important thing happen is not when Christ was on Earth but When He died.

because if he wanted to, he could intervene at any time

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Exactly! But He didn't do that... Why do you think?

I think I am confuse here! You say you know what Jesus said and Love your neighbor and agree etc etc and same time you say you hate Jehovah? I don't get this part!
Also, I think you became atheist directly from being RC, is that right? If not Please correct me!
I get it that you had very bad experience with your world around, family growing up! But please don't fail to consider the experience of people who had different experience then you. They have experience the struggle and love in marriage... same time.
About Pope, Well, I use to agree upon everything what my Father/priest use to say. Until the day I read myself what's in there and tried to seek answers from God himself not any man. I still try to learn from others experience and revelation though.

Yes, I know that Siddharta Gautam left his wive and son but like I said earlier, I am pro divorce as well. He left them well cared for!

You are very well empathizing and reasoning for Buddha! But

And about God giving his only son. I am totally not impressed. For me that is no compensation for every atrocity that he committed in the old testament.

I don't know why you hate God! Atheist means they don't believe in 'God' existence. But you don't hate anything that doesn't exist! So, I don't get this part to! So, why these inconsistencies in your post?

[QUOTE][What is the best way to deal with this problem?/QUOTE]
If you ask me! In regards to your answer for you original and question. I will answer that.
I don't know every answer but I think the best way to deal with it is to start from yourself, what you want to see in the world.

[paraclete]

Prescious you seem confused about Jesus. He came with a purpose so he only needed a short time to get the job done, he then left it to us to spread the word, somewhere along the way the message become confused and man started to make it about themselves and exploit others, what we recognise today as religion and the RC is a manifestation of that. You waste your time debating athiests. They want a godless existence, so let them have it, the consequences are theirs

Misspurple, You cannot judge God according to your standard of behaviour

[Precious7]

Celet! What I meant is, I am confused about misspurple saying things like she hate bible, God, and same time she believes in Jesus words like love thy neighbor etc. so that was confusing.

[misspurple77]

Celet! What I meant is, I am confused about misspurple saying things like she hate bible, God, and same time she believes in Jesus words like love thy neighbor etc. so that was confusing.

I don't believe in Jesus anymore. But I didn't forget his teachings and I just don't understand how so many people that still say that they are Christians don't follow those things that he said. If they would, the world would have been a better place.

Did you watch the YouTube clip that I posted with Stephen Frye? He explains very clearly that as an atheist I don't even believe that Jehova exists, so I don't hate him, I can't hate something that doesn't exist, but if he were real, I would despise him.

If even after watching that clip, you still don't understand what my point of view is, I really don't think that I can explain it to you.

I didn't went straight from being a Catholic to an atheist. When I was 18 I wanted to convert to protestantism, because protestants are allowed to use birth control, get a divorce, use IVF etc. But my father exploded. He said that no one in the family ever left Catholicism, so neither would I. The Bible also says that you should honour your parents, so I only stayed Catholic in name.

But Jehova is still Jehova, it doesn't matter whether you are a Catholic or a protestant, what Stephen Frye says, still applies.

[misspurple77]

Celet! What I meant is, I am confused about misspurple saying things like she hate bible, God, and same time she believes in Jesus words like love thy neighbor etc. so that was confusing.

If you are interested to know in what I do believe in, it is called humanism and contains a lot of values that I used to think were Christian, but it turned out that Confucius already taught the golden rule, it wasn't invented by Christ. When I was still a teenager I really didn't understand where people that didn't believe in God got their morals from. But now I understand that most people have better morals than those of Christianity as soon as they are against slavery or they don't want to stone someone who committed adultery, wears clothes from different fabrics or even eats shrimps.

I understand now that empathy is the source of morals. And as soon as you resort to start calling people Untermenschen or savages or animals, you don't emphatise with them anymore and that is when cruelty starts, which can lead to genocide.

[smoothy]

Sorry but Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism... and Judaism goes back to some of the earliest recorded History. I'm College educated so where are these Humanism records that predate Judaism? Most Religions that pre and post dated Judaism in that Era revolved around pagan and Idol worship. Humanism is a relative newcomer.

[paraclete]

Oh I think humanism has always been with us, Eve was the first humanist wanting to be like God but questioning his word. I don't listen to people like Fry because they are lost and therefore cannot enlighten me. I know the truth, the manifest reality of God, I have experienced it.

You want to judge God, say his ways are not just but how do you know? You weren't there at the events that are described. Today we are living with the result of Abraham's lack of faith, Ismael. The works of man give birth to Ismaels, the work of God gave birth to Jesus, to someone even you acknowledge the superiority of his teachings. Do the Muslims follow his teachings, no, they follow someone who couldn't discern whether it was God or Satan who was speaking to him, so I don't listen to him either.

[talaniman]

Maybe you should go back and study where Judaism evolved from and get some insights into the history of ancient man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrews

Since the Hebrew Bible makes a point of marking the Canaanites as peoples set apart from the Israelites, the extent of the distinction between the culture of the Canaanites and the Israelites is a matter of debate. It has been argued that the Israelites were themselves Canaanites, and that "historical Israel", as distinct from "literary" or "Biblical Israel" was a subset of Canaanite culture. It is also known that Israelites and later the subdivision of Israelites known as the Judeans spoke Hebrew as their main language and it is still used in Jewish holy scriptures, study, speech and prayer.

The history of man and his religion is full of examples of a part of a tribe walking away from the bigger and starting it's own dogma, and blasting another tribe's dogma even to the point of WAR. (Read the accounts of the ancient wars) Not very god like behavior in my opinion, but being cruel to a fellow human who is "different" in some way or another can always be justified by whatever god they espouse as a true believer.

In truth there is no difference between humans except the ones they themselve create to elevate themselves over others. That's the conflict of man, trying to convert and assimilate instead of sharing bread.

You want to do something about the hate Misspurple? Its really simple... don't hate. It's not man's planet (Even though he THINKS god GAVE him dominion... dumb humans) he is just along for the ride like the rest of the LIFE here.

[misspurple77]

Maybe you should go back and study where Judaism evolved from and get some insights into the history of ancient man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrews



The history of man and his religion is full of examples of a part of a tribe walking away from the bigger and starting it's own dogma, and blasting another tribe's dogma even to the point of WAR. (Read the accounts of the ancient wars) Not very god like behavior in my opinion, but being cruel to a fellow human who is "different" in some way or another can always be justified by whatever god they espouse as a true believer.

In truth there is no difference between humans except the ones they themselve create to elevate themselves over others. That's the conflict of man, trying to convert and assimilate instead of sharing bread.

You want to do something about the hate Misspurple? Its really simple... don't hate. It's not man's planet (Even though he THINKS god GAVE him dominion... dumb humans) he is just along for the ride like the rest of the LIFE here.

Hi Talaniman, I don't hate people and certainly not white people or Christians like some people think. I hate hate, I have no tolerance for intolerance. So it are the actions that I condemn, done by individuals, I don't blame an entire group for the actions of some of their members.

I hate terrorism, but I don't hate all Muslims or Christians, just because both groups include some fanatics that use their religion as an excuse to murder nonbelievers.

So I already took your advice and I reach out to people of all colors and all religions, but is that really all that I can do? It really doesn't help to prevent the before mentioned Hungarian journalist from kicking a refugee for example. How can we stop that hatred? That is what my question is about. How do we stop people from burning mosques, what is happening today here in The Netherlands? And how do we stop some of those horrible Muslim Youth in The Netherlands from terrorising the LGBT community? I am really not blind to the atrocities that Muslims commit, as some people seem to think on this thread. I am against all intolerance, not only by white Christians, but also by Muslims or the LGBT. In 2002 a gay Dutch politician got murdered, he was a racist: Pim Fortuyn. I think that it is wrong that he got killed, but I also had a problem with the hate that he spread towards Muslims, so I don't have a blind spot for the hatred that the LGBT community can spread as well.

My question is about those hatefull people, that spread lies about refugees and call them animals or say that they should be killed. Is there anything that can be done, to let them see the errors in their way of thinking?

[talaniman]

You cannot control the thoughts and actions of others, let alone what they feel in their hearts. You can only do your best to control your own thoughts, actions, and heart.

In a word, don't let others get you all jacked up. You will be a crazy frustrated nut if you think they will change. So let them be the crazy frustrated NUTS they wish to make of you. Understand they can no more change the hearts of others either so don't let them change yours.

They are not perfect but neither are you (Or ME ;D). Don't try to be perfect, just be GOOD!

[smoothy]

Nobody here is trying to change her religion... or lack thereof... she can worship the container of sugar on the shelf if it makes her happy. I'm no missionary and believe everyone will get what they deserve when the die and meet their maker.

If the Atheists are tight... nobody will ever know because everything will end when you die. If they aren't well, what happens next is a result of their own choices. Its amazing that people believe there is no god or afterlife get so excited and worked up about other people that think there is.

[talaniman]

She is as entitled to whatever opinion she has as you are. If you can trash a whole race then expect to get trashed in return.

[smoothy]

She is the only one that's trashed any race here so far...specifically bashed WHITE people (and almost exclusively United States Citizens) accusing them of Genocides that never happened in numbers that were wildly inflated by orders of magnitude.

I bashed Islam and have every right to...in fact I have more of a right than most do in that area. And Islam is not a race...its a choice.

[talaniman]

Dude... really?? You bash races and religions on a regular basis and it's the height of hypocrisy you take offense when you THINK someone else is bashing YOU and yours. You didn't bother correcting her so called untrue facts with facts of your own either.

Stop playing victim you big bully!

[smoothy]

What RACE? Plenty of times She SPECIFICALLY bashed Whites, Christians, Americans in this thread... accusing them of Genocides that never happened, claimed numbers that were clearly impossible , acted like the only slavery that ever happened anywhere was here, In fact she did it over and over again. And I can back up EVERYTHING I claim... she however can't back up anything. Sorry tal but as much as I respect you... she has not only crossed certain lines over and over... she spit in our faces as well. Not to mention specifically claiming to be morally superior to everyone else.
Yes... in the posts that were editied and deleted. I remember a couple specifically that are no longer there.
Yeah... I have a right to respond to that... particularly since it was she that started that.

I overlook a lot of things...but I can not overlook series of complete fallacies and attacks from someone who has openly professed their hatred towards Amercians and White people specificly. THen turns around and pretends they never said it after repeating it a dozen + times.

I don't know where she gets these numbers and "facts" from....particularly since she doesn't even live on this side of the Atlantic. Her parents were from a seriously impoverished country...which does not have a world class education system...one in which she was at least partially educated in.

Personally I don't care of she is atheist. Its her choice, and I have no desire to convert her but it doesn't make her better than everyone else like she thinks and has basically said.

I'd have given her a lot more leeway if her English skills were not as good as they are. Because she does have an impressive grasp of English. I'm fluent in Italian...but its still not as good as her English is.

[paraclete]

You know where she gets her facts from, she has been listening to athiests and muslims and probably a few south american revolutionaries along the way

[misspurple77]

Dude... really?? You bash races and religions on a regular basis and it's the height of hypocrisy you take offense when you THINK someone else is bashing YOU and yours. You didn't bother correcting her so called untrue facts with facts of your own either.

Stop playing victim you big bully!

Thank you Talaniman:-).

[misspurple77]

You cannot control the thoughts and actions of others, let alone what they feel in their hearts. You can only do your best to control your own thoughts, actions, and heart.

In a word, don't let others get you all jacked up. You will be a crazy frustrated nut if you think they will change. So let them be the crazy frustrated NUTS they wish to make of you. Understand they can no more change the hearts of others either so don't let them change yours.

They are not perfect but neither are you (Or ME ;D). Don't try to be perfect, just be GOOD!

I am very aware that I am not perfect! It is too bad that there is nothing that I can do against a lot of intolerance.

But since I personally made some changes, I know that some people sometimes can change. And although some people try to poison my heart with hatred for others, I don't let them:-).

[paraclete]

I am very aware that I am not perfect! It is too bad that there is nothing that I can do against a lot of intolerance.

But since I personally made some changes, I know that some people sometimes can change. And although some people try to poison my heart with hatred for others, I don't let them:-).

Do you know where intolerance comes from? It comes from the actions of people. Some people don't act in a reasonable manner, they don't respect and as a result you get chaos, look a Muslims in places like Pakistan, for example, they used the cartoons published in Europe as an excuse to kill their own people and rampage. Now I can understand people in Holland being upset, but half a world away, they are just looking for an excuse.

You want to change, widen your circle of friends, allow others to express themselves and stay away from social media because we don't care what they say on Facebook