[misspurple77]

I haven't seen that movie, so will be sure to get it and watch it. And you read Be Different by John Elder Robison. Also, Tony Attwood has written books on Asperger's.

"...biding my time" -- waiting
"vitriol" -- cruel and bitter criticism

It doesn't seem that the vitriol is ending. Now I have also been called a liar. All the vitriol doesn't even make sense!

[Wondergirl]

It doesn't seem that the vitriol is ending. Now I have also been called a liar. All the vitriol doesn't even make sense!

Take the high road! I know you have constructive things to say. So let's talk about what might be good for countries that accept these Syrians, etc. And what might become problems.

[Precious7]

I don't judge all Christians based on Catholicism, Kim Davis isn't Catholic and I mentioned her too. Catholics aren't allowed to divorce (which I disagree with as well) and we all know that she had three "kind of" divorces, because she turned out to be a bigamist as well. I also mentioned Warren Jefs, another Christian that isn't a Catholic.

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I think while reading Kim Davis reports, you missed the part where it says that, When she was not "born again" or really ''following Christ" She did those divorces. So it all happened before even She was a Christian. And did you also missed the part where she also refused to issues the license for even non-gay- couple/ straight couple. Why don't you get angry for that. She never stopped her fellow officers to issues license to any gay-couple.

When Muslim extremist killed few people because they were "Gay", [and that's a horrible thing to do :( ]. However, there was not much people who were bashing for this instance but when "Kim Davis" instance happened, every one was like furious. Kim Davis didn't kill anyone! Why this double standard?. Do you remember the earlier days when there were no rights for LGBT people and they were really sad and asking rights for them, and they were saying that we Just need equal rights nothing else, we just need Love nothing else, we just need etc... And when they have given everything been are asking for! Now they Hate Christians, even though Christians don't hate them. You don't have to agree on everything in order to be nice right? Now Christian are showing somewhat tolerance, but where is LGBT people tolerance gone? They were Just asking for Love right? One friend kills you if they don't agree with you or vice versa then you don't say anything about them but other Friend Just refuse and let you live.. but You become angry and furious! Why that Partiality!

Ok- Yesterday. There was shooting and many people died Christian/Non Christian but Christian people were targeted "Oregon mass shooting"... what do you say about that?

I have a lot of Muslim friends since Childhood, I grew up with them side by side... they have innocently shared the stuffs I will never forget in my life, I cried with them, I prayed for them and I also know that not every other Muslim person is a terrorist.

Especially not that misogynistic, homophobic sadistic egomaniac that the Abrahamic God is supposed to be, according to his own "word": the Talmud, Bible and Koran. First he wants to keep Adam and Eve ignorant, when they eat of the apple of wisdom anyway, he acts like a toddler with a tantrum and curses mankind for all eternity. Then he commits genocide, by letting everyone except for Noah and his family being killed by a flood. In Sodom and Gomorra he does that again! And why the hell does he has to be so cold hearted to let Lot's wife turn into salt, because she looks back? But what he does to Job or to Egypt is so sadistic, that I really can't respect that God.

I would like to think that You know About "New testament" in the Bible. So I don't know why you are saying these... And I understand that you don't understand why those things happened, but it doesn't mean that You have to talk Bad about anyone's God. Ok if you acknowledge these part then Where is the Part When It say That "For God so Loved the WORLD the He gave His Only Son for us...to die in our place" etc.. Why don't You acknowledge about this? If you want to be fair then Be really fair!
Buddha? His real name is 'Siddharta Gautam', Do you know He abandoned his wife and son 'Rahul'? Charity starts form a Home right?

[Precious7]

They started the bashing first, and since I am not a Chistian anymore, I don't have to turn the other cheek anymore:-). I really don't see why I can't call bigots bigots, if they called me ignorant, that I should be ashamed of myself, naïve, a teenager, lying that I am an atheist, while I am a closeted Muslim etc.

And all the bad things that they do say about Muslims, are things that they are saying about my mother, my mothers family, my Muslim colleagues (at the gym) and my one Muslim friend. So although they aren't calling me an barbaric animal and terrorist, they are saying that about people that I love, which is also disrespectfull towards me.

I watched the movie My Name is Khan recently, because it is about Asperger's Syndrome. But it is also about the atrocious way in which Muslims are treated in the US today. When I saw it, I thought that they were excaggerating the situation for dramatic effect, but now that I have met Smoothy and Raclete, I know that it unfortunately isn't just fiction. You should really watch that movie if you haven't seen it, it really made me cry!

I am really shocked by the hatred those two are shamelessly exhibiting towards Muslims. People like them give Christians a bad name. I am really, really, really shocked.

But indeed, my question was, what does work against that? Is there an answer to that question? Do you know it? Because honestly, I am inclined to just give up hope of a tolerant planet, like the one John Lennon imagined. I am glad that I don't have children, so I don't have to worry about what world they need to live in or worry about them getting poisoned with hate against Muslims or refugees.

I am watching reruns of Dr. Quinn. On today's show, they build a school, that wasn't accesible for the black or Indian children, only for the white children and the reverent of Colorado Springs was okay with that. I thought, we are living a 150 years later, but unfortunately, that way of thinking hasn't been abolished my mankind.

Why didn't you speak up, about the disrespect towards Muslims? Do you think that it is okay call Muslims moongod worshippers, terrorists or animals? Or do you think that Smoothy and Raclete are lost causes, so that it is a waste of your time and energy to confront them with the baseless hatred that they are exhibiting?

''My Name is KHAN and I am Not a terrorist! What a dialogue ''.. I love Sharukh Khan! I am a Fan. ;).
Anyway, It goes same for others as well, As not all muslims are terrosist like wise not all Christian Hate Muslims or refuges or atheist etc...

[paraclete]

Pescious you are talking to an atheist, a person who has made a conscious decision to abandon God, and that is undoubtedly because all she really knew is religion not relationship with Christ. There are also obviously life experiences that cause a reaction. She also feels a need to justify her position. What is going on here is that she denys everyone else the right to have an opinion based on their life experiences. Some of us have had negative experiences associated with muslims. There are a lot of bleeding hearts in Europe, people who are saying " Oh those poor people". I can understand their need to do something about it, but there are consequences. It is not so long ago the dutch saw the reaction of muslims but they have short memories

[smoothy]

This vitriol was brought on by you. You offended white people, you offended ALL Americans... Not just the USA, but everyone from Canada to Argentina. Everyone on the American Continent is American, North, Central and South America.

Then you started calling everyone who disagrees with you bigots. Its clear you do not understand what that term actually implies.

You also made a number of other accusations based in your incorrect education or just assumptions of people that were there and know better.

Your perspective is based exclusively on biased sources.. your teachers all have a particular bias... the news has a very strong bias... the Internet is unreliable and has a bias...

And you are arguing with people who were there.. saw things with their own eyes, knows exactly what did and didn't happen.

Something you will never get from the news... because there is no such thing anywhere as unbiased news coverage. Its all biased. No matter if its video, audio print or electronic in nature.

[Wondergirl]

smoothy, we each have our own experience. Yours is different from mine, and misspurple's is different from yours (and mine). Let's learn from each other and not argue with each other. That accomplishes nothing (as you well know).

[NeedKarma]

This thread is becoming toxic. Americans should really focus on the bigger problems they have at home i.e. become immune to the mass murders that seem to happen monthly.

[Wondergirl]

This thread is becoming toxic. Americans should really focus on the bigger problems they have at home i.e. become immune to the mass murders that seem to happen monthly.

Exactly! I've reading all the news releases on the Oregon shooter. I think we have a bigger problem with mentally ill people (young males???) than we do with guns.

And the gun laws already in existence are not being obeyed/followed.

[paraclete]

Good point Karma, americans do have an elephant in the room they aren't willing to address, in fact they have a whole herd. These killings are deplorable, what is worse the victims were singled out on religious grounds.

[misspurple77]

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I think while reading Kim Davis reports, you missed the part where it says that, When she was not "born again" or really ''following Christ" She did those divorces. So it all happened before even She was a Christian. And did you also missed the part where she also refused to issues the license for even non-gay- couple/ straight couple. Why don't you get angry for that. She never stopped her fellow officers to issues license to any gay-couple.

When Muslim extremist killed few people because they were "Gay", [and that's a horrible thing to do :( ]. However, there was not much people who were bashing for this instance but when "Kim Davis" instance happened, every one was like furious. Kim Davis didn't kill anyone! Why this double standard?. Do you remember the earlier days when there were no rights for LGBT people and they were really sad and asking rights for them, and they were saying that we Just need equal rights nothing else, we just need Love nothing else, we just need etc... And when they have given everything been are asking for! Now they Hate Christians, even though Christians don't hate them. You don't have to agree on everything in order to be nice right? Now Christian are showing somewhat tolerance, but where is LGBT people tolerance gone? They were Just asking for Love right? One friend kills you if they don't agree with you or vice versa then you don't say anything about them but other Friend Just refuse and let you live.. but You become angry and furious! Why that Partiality!

Ok- Yesterday. There was shooting and many people died Christian/Non Christian but Christian people were targeted "Oregon mass shooting"... what do you say about that?

I have a lot of Muslim friends since Childhood, I grew up with them side by side... they have innocently shared the stuffs I will never forget in my life, I cried with them, I prayed for them and I also know that not every other Muslim person is a terrorist.

I would like to think that You know About "New testament" in the Bible. So I don't know why you are saying these... And I understand that you don't understand why those things happened, but it doesn't mean that You have to talk Bad about anyone's God. Ok if you acknowledge these part then Where is the Part When It say That "For God so Loved the WORLD the He gave His Only Son for us...to die in our place" etc.. Why don't You acknowledge about this? If you want to be fair then Be really fair!
Buddha? His real name is 'Siddharta Gautam', Do you know He abandoned his wife and son 'Rahul'? Charity starts form a Home right?

I have absolutely no respect or tolerance for bigots. If Muslims kill gay people for being gay, that is a hate crime and needs to be punished. Anyone needs to be punished for that. There are also Christian countries where being gay is still punishable by death in Africa. I am against laws that go against the human rights. Some of those countries even joined those treaties, but don't uphold them. I really hate that we can't stop all injustice in the world, but I do support Amnesty International. Of course, killing is worse than not being able to get married. But all injustice against everyone, including the LGBT needs to stop.

I have a huge problem with intolerance, and because a lot of intolerance is rooted in religions, I have a problem with religions. Yes I know about the new testament, I even quoted it here: turn your other cheek, love thy neighbour, the good Samaritan, he who is without sin, should cast the first stone, help the poor and needy, but it seems that people who call themselves Christians like Smoothy and Paraclete don't know about that part of the Bible, since they call Muslims animals and Smoothy thinks that all refugees need to be shot. The pope is against gay marriage and divorce, based on the entire Bible. I am against limiting people's freedom, so if the pope who knows the entire Bible well, still reaches that conclusion, that book is really too intolerant for me.

I know that Kim Davis converted, but that doesn't matter to me. I think that it is hypocritical of her to want to limit the civil rights of others, when she made use of those of her herself. I have a problem with people that wants to limit other people's choices because of their beliefs. Kim Davis is one of them.

Yes, I know that Siddharta Gautam left his wive and son but like I said earlier, I am pro divorce as well. He left them well cared for! I am against forcing people that don't want to be married anymore, to stay married. My parents had an unhappy marriage, they were really toxic, always fighting. It would have been so much better if they had just gotten a divorce! So I am not dissaproving of Budism, because Siddharta Gautam left his family.

I don't know about which hostility of the LGBT community you are talking about, but as long as there still are homophobes in the US, it is only logical that the LGBT community will rise against that. It doesn't matter that in other countries being gay is punishable by death, all bigotry should end! It is easier to fight against a smaller injustice in your own country than to a bigger one far away.

Some of the Syrian refugees that come to The Netherlands are pedophiles, married to girls younger than 16!! We couldn't do anything about that when they were still in Syria, but now that they are coming here, we should stop that! According to Dutch law, sex with a child under 16 is illegal, unless you are married. They should really remove that unless you are married part from the law, to prosecute these lowlife pedophiles!

I read the news about Muslims in refugeecenters attacking the non-Muslims there! That is unacceptable! Here in The Netherlands you don't get a visa anymore if you commit an act of violence. I say zero tolerance, at the first infraction, we should send them back. Too bad that Syria is being bombed by Russia, France and the US, if you don't respect people that aren't Muslim, you have no business coming to Europe! I also heard that on one of the boats to Europe some Muslims had thrown some Christians overboard. That kind of zealot criminals aren't welcome here! The men that committed those murders at the sea, immediately got arrested the moment they reached Europe. But we can't go outside of Europe to arrest every murderer there. I really wish that it was possible to arrest everyone worldwide that doesn't respect human rights, but we simply don't have the power to do so. We just have to start somewhere.

There is a lot wrong in the world and there is more wrong outside the west than within the west. But that doesn't mean that everything in the west is okay and that we should accept what is wrong here.

Here in The Netherlands we have a racist phenomenon, called Black Pete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet it is disrespectful towards people of African Origine, but most Dutch people don't want to recognise that. A lot of people say that we shouldn't care about it or that the UN has better things to worry about, but that doesn't matter. It is really awfull what happens outside of The Netherlands, but this injustice in The Netherlands, that kills no one, also needs to end! People have even issued death threats against people that speak up against Black Pete!

What happened in Oregon was horrible. All that I heard about it, here in The Netherlands, is that apparently the shooter had a specific hate towards Christians. I don't know why, but I hope that it is clear by now, that I think that it is wrong to hate people because they are part of a group, whether they are Christians, Muslims, refugees or whatever. Hating people is wrong, period. I have no symphaty for any mass shooter, whatsoever, they are all psychopaths, bad people! Whatever justification they give, no justification is good enough to randomly kill people! The only justification for taking a life is self defense.

And about God giving his only son. I am totally not impressed. For me that is no compensation for every atrocity that he committed in the old testament. And what does giving mean? Parents that give their child up for adoption are really giving their child away, but since God is all seeing, he could watch his son every single second. He never had to worry about what would happen to him, because if he wanted to, he could intervene at any time. And didn't Jesus return to God in the end, with ascenscion? So if you ask me, God only lend us Jesus for 33 years and for an infinite being like him, 33 years is nothing! So really I am totally not impressed by what God has done to show his love for human kind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

This is what Stephen Fry has to say about God and that is how I see God as well!

[smoothy]

This thread is becoming toxic. Americans should really focus on the bigger problems they have at home i.e. become immune to the mass murders that seem to happen monthly.

Canada is far from being perfect...and those mass murders in nearly every case has turned out to be a liberal that should either be in jail..or in a mental ward.

Particularly since Canadian law prohibits naming people who commit crimes, their rights are so overwhelmingly important and all.....and in some cases even reporting on the crime.

[misspurple77]

''My Name is KHAN and I am Not a terrorist! What a dialogue ''.. I love Sharukh Khan! I am a Fan. ;).
Anyway, It goes same for others as well, As not all muslims are terrosist like wise not all Christian Hate Muslims or refuges or atheist etc...

I know that:-D! There are lots of Christians that I do love and respect. Like my best friend for example. Her mother is worth her weight in gold and very religious!

I am actually shocked by the hatred that I encountered on this thread. I didn't expect it, so it is not the typical idea that I have of Christians, not at all! Two years ago I was still a Christian myself and I never hated Muslims or refugees or atheist back then. I dated an atheist for six years while I was a Catholic myself!

And the guy from Guinee that I dated, was both a Muslim and refugee, while I was still a Catholic, no hatred there either!

[misspurple77]

Exactly! I've reading all the news releases on the Oregon shooter. I think we have a bigger problem with mentally ill people (young males???) than we do with guns.

And the gun laws already in existence are not being obeyed/followed.

I object to calling mass shooters a problem with the mentally ill!

It's not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males - Salon.com

[Wondergirl]

If you read the descriptions of his behavior, he showed shades of autism, but that's not a mental illness and not the whole story. His total behavior pattern fits in the mental illness framework. And there's a cohort of angry young males that he apparently hung out with online -- they claim pretty girls ignore them, they have no friends, they can't carry on conversations with anyone, they feel everyone is against them.

I object to calling mass shooters a problem with the mentally ill!

It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males - Salon.com

[smoothy]

I object to calling mass shooters a problem with the mentally ill!

It's not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males - Salon.com

You can object all you want... but the fact is... not everyone that does that is evil... a lot of them ARE mentally ill. And it has nothing to do with what race someone is. Despite what some website might claim.

Normal, well adjusted people just don't wake up and decide "I'm going to kill a bunch of people today". What is common is they are all quick to blame everyone else but themselves. When there really is nobody else to blame BUT themselves.

Nobody is taught personal responsibility growing up these days.

And I did grow up with several people that did end up in jail for killing someone. One of them never was right in the head..and an other was nothing but trouble the entire time I knew him. Another (this one always brings smile to my face) who I had nothing but trouble with in school....got his head blown off attempting an armed robbery of a gas station. Thank goodness criminals are NOT the only people with guns in the USA unlike a lot of places where people are defenseless..

Ever notice all Mass Shootings happen in Gun Free Zones? Nobody ever points that out....nobody nearby to stop the criminal.

And yes there ARE lots of Criminals with Guns In Europe....despite draconian gun laws.

I had one pulled on me there 24 years ago back when it was a LOT safer there

[misspurple77]

If you read the descriptions of his behavior, he showed shades of autism, but that's not a mental illness and not the whole story. His total behavior pattern fits in the mental illness framework. And there's a cohort of angry young males that he apparently hung out with online -- they claim pretty girls ignore them, they have no friends, they can't carry on conversations with anyone, they feel everyone is against them.

You are talking about Elliot Rodgers as well. His father claimed that he probably had Asperger's, but he was never formally diagnosed. As soon as people have less than average social skills, people are calling them autistic, but that is so unfair and stigmatising! I seem to have great social skills. So when I accidentally say something blunt, without being aware of it, people think that I am being mean on purpose. I have to constantly remind a friend of mine that I don't like big parties. This Monday she said, but you aren't shy, I said yes, just because I can handle myself at a party, doesn't mean that I am enjoying myself! I can engage in small talk, but I hate small talk and that is all that you engage in, at parties. I like intense one on one conversations more, but usually there is no room for that on parties.

People have a stereotype idea of people on the spectrum. I don't fit that stereotype, so people don't think of me as autistic. But I do have autistic preferences, like watching science fiction, but if I tell people that I went to the latest Star Trek movie, they think that I went because of a guy... Really exhausting!

So as someone on the spectrum I really object to people pointing towards autism as a cause or excuse for this. Elliot Rodger was a petty misogynist. That has nothing to do with being on the spectrum!

I am on the spectrum and I have no intention of ever going on a killing spree! Our brains are wired differently, but not more violent than those who aren't on the spectrum!

[Wondergirl]

I am on the spectrum and I have no intention of ever going on a killing spree! Our brains are wired differently, but not more violent than those who aren't on the spectrum!

You may remember I married a guy on the spectrum, his father was on the spectrum, and our son was finally diagnosed today. And I said the Oregon shooter had autism traits but that isn't the whole or real story. His problems went much deeper than that. Even his parents reported mental illness. We have yet to hear if he had been diagnosed or that was their excuse for his problems and social avoidance. He wanted to be somebody, so chose mass murder as the way to do that.

[misspurple77]

You may remember I married a guy on the spectrum, his father was on the spectrum, and our son was finally diagnosed today. And I said the Oregon shooter had autism traits but that isn't the whole or real story. His problems went much deeper than that. Even his parents reported mental illness. We have yet to hear if he had been diagnosed or that was their excuse for his problems and social avoidance. He wanted to be somebody, so chose mass murder as the way to do that.

Yes, to me this sounds like a cop out by his parents, just like the father of Elliot Rodger did. They don't want to accept the fact that they had a horrible son, so they blame mental illnes, very selfish, because they are stigmatising mental illnes in that way. Did you read the article that I posted?

[paraclete]

Let's get this straight for the record anyone who wants to go and kill a group of people is mentaly ill, they are deranged for whatever reason. It is not a racial thing confined to "white" males. Right now in the ME there are people who are not "white" males doing deranged things, same in places like Nigeria. Ihe issues may however have a religious base as was so in Oregon.