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Synnen · Apr 17, 2007, 11:43 AM

The problem is... when you handle something with common sense and logic, you STILL have people angry (and suing half the time) when the system fails THEIR kid.

How many lawsuits will come of this VA Tech thing, even though the police and school did the best they could with the information that they had regarding the situation? How many people will say "you killed my son/daughter by keeping them ignorant!"?

Bad things happen to good people sometimes. That's a fact of life.

Here's a thought for you: Most schools have a Zero Tolerance policy on any kind of weapon. Had just ONE of those students owned a gun and had a license to carry it, they STILL would not have been able to have it in the classroom. But... if they HAD been able to carry a weapon into the classroom, wouldn't they have been able to prevent the deaths by shooting the shooter? So... let's blame the students for not having guns, and the school for not allowing them!

What kind of stupid logic is that? Yet... that's the logic people use when they're hurting. They look for anyone to blame besides themselves. Let's blame rock'n'roll! Let's blame video games! Let's blame Hitler!

Let's blame religion! Let's blame God! Let's blame marbles (because marbles are DANGEROUS!)! Let's blame guns, drugs, sex, loose morals, Don Imus, nappy headed hos, the French influence, the IRS, the CIA, Kennedy and the Beatles!

(I'm a little wound up, I think)

But the idea is... teach your kids right from wrong. Teach them that life isn't fair. Teach them that you won't always get your way in any sphere of life, but especially in the area of "love". Teach them that the world does not revolve around them, and that while they're special, they're not special enough to get on the team just because they want it.

I'm just tired of everyone wanting everything to be fair. Life isn't fair.

NowWhat · Apr 17, 2007, 11:54 AM

I like your post, Synnen, you are right. When we are hurting - we look for someone else to blame.
I guess, for me, I need to find a silver lining. What can we take from this? What can we learn?

As far uping security - I don't know. I know that if I choose to, I can walk right into my daughter's school and walk around without being noticed. Even though I am supposed to stop by the office and get a visitor tag. No one will question me. I am not a "well known" parent or anything. But, if I can go around so freely - who's to say a guy with a gun can't as well. I have to say it scares me a little.
We have taken for granted that our kids will come home safe.

RubyPitbull · Apr 17, 2007, 11:55 AM

My, Synnen, you are wound up! Although, I do agree with you on everything except for the Hitler comment. He was to blame for the past transgressions dealt upon the world.

Synnen · Apr 17, 2007, 12:03 PM

But he's NOT to blame for current transgressions.

For pity's sake, the man has been DEAD for 60 years!

I was referring to the fact that the Columbine students were into the writings of Hitler and that was one of the things that they blamed for their rampage.

Matt3046 · Apr 17, 2007, 12:12 PM

Back to this thing at VT, from what I understand this person, came to the US last August. And what I am trying to get at is (this is my very own paranoid opinion) this was not a normal college student this person had to have some military training. To me it mlooks like a planned terrorist event. But keep in mind I am very often wrong about most things.

Synnen · Apr 17, 2007, 12:27 PM

You know... outside of the US, there are many countries that REQUIRE military training right out of high school, before one can attend college. Whether this person was from one of those countries is beyond me.

It's that type of paranoid thinking, though (this MUST be a terrorist attack! Oh NOES!) that let the Patriot Act pass (the scariest act in the history of America, imo), that has the general populace cowed into thinking there's not a thing they can do to protect themselves, they must turn to the government!

This was some guy who (probably) found out his girlfriend was cheatin on him with an engineering student. So he shot her, and then, because he didn't know WHO the guy was, but he KNEW that he was in THAT particular building at that particular time, went in and just started shooting everyone in that building.

Please.. if you're going plan a terrorist attack, it won't be on students at a University that ultimately has no political pull.

AKaeTrue · Apr 17, 2007, 01:35 PM

How we handle our criminals - is it fair or right that a non violent criminal gets 20 years for not paying his taxes and the guy he shares his cell with killed a child, but will get out in 7 with good behavior? Am I the only one that finds that disturbing?
(I guess that is what gets me going)

This without a doubt disturbs me to the point I feel sick to my stomach.

And how repeated sex offenders get a little slap on the hand and sent on their marry little way time and time again only to one day abduct a kid (or adult) and do horrible unthinkable things to them... when they should have been lock away in the first place...

But it's all about "their rights"
I say who gives a crap about about "their rights"! What about the rights of the victims!! It seems as they don't have any or that theirs is not as important as the offenders... WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE!

Oh it just makes me sick...

magprob · Apr 17, 2007, 01:37 PM

I don't know about all that but I was down in the hood the other day and I saw a baby in a diaper selling weed.

AKaeTrue · Apr 17, 2007, 01:39 PM

Yeah Mag, that's how they get away with it these days;)

Synnen · Apr 17, 2007, 01:45 PM

Were you buying? Or was the kid competition, Mag?

Matt3046 · Apr 17, 2007, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by magprob

I don't know about all that but I was down in the hood the other day and I saw a baby in a diaper sellin weed.

That's lill Joe, he's got the best stuff.

magprob · Apr 17, 2007, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Synnen

Were you buying? or was the kid competition, Mag?

I isn't coppin to sh*#!

Skell · Apr 17, 2007, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Matt3046

Back to this thing at VT, from what I understand this person, came to the US last August. and what I am trying to get at is (this is my very own paranoid opinion) this was not a normal college student this person had to have some millitary training. To me it mlooks like a planed terrorist event. But keep in mind I am very often wrong about most things.

From what I heard on the news just now he came to the US when he was 8 years old from South Korea. Although I'm not and American I imagine that this is a pretty common occurrence? So unless he was trained by your military I don't think that holds up here Matt. But in saying that it wouldn't be the first time someone trained by your military turned on you ;)

Skell · Apr 17, 2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by RubyPitbull

Skell, I like what you are saying about Australia. Soooo, how easy is it to get a resident alien card or citizenship in Aussieland? Remember our agreement about Phuket? I know you aren't married. Maybe we can help each other out here..... ;)

No problems Ruby... Ill meet you at the Banana Bar in Bangala Rd, Phuket next Tuesday. Ill put you on a boat back here to oz with 200 others immigrants and pick you up somewhere off the coast of Queensland near the Great Barrier Reef. From there it will be a life of bliss with as little guns around as possible.

Skell · Apr 17, 2007, 03:44 PM

I agree with what you are saying Synnen about personal responsibility. Most problems in this world come down to that. They really do. But it is a pretty simplistic view of trying to solve problems to simply say educate your children better. An ideal world would allow that. Everyone would be taught right from wrong and bad things wouldn't happen. But you and I both know that will never happen.

So surely some responsibility must be held by governments etc to provide a level of safety through laws etc.

So no ones is concerned at how simple it is to procure a gun in the US. No one see's that as an issue in this and other similar incidences. Sure they were carried out by whack jobs and maybe they would have happened still, but maybe they also could have been prevented. From an outside view looking in, and I must stress the word outside, I think you'll find most people see gun control laws in the US as a contributing factor to this.

Skell · Apr 17, 2007, 03:51 PM

And just so I hope I don't come across as sounding like I am American bashing I will acknowledge that Australia still holds the "record" for the most number of people killed in shooting spree in history. Please see the link below. But I will add that this was carried out in a State that at the time had very "poor" Gun Control Laws. This event was the catalyst for major Gun Control law reform in this country. And one which the majority was happy to see.

If you have time to read all the events that took place that day please do. A horrifying act carried by a complete and utter psychopath.

Port Arthur massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gun politics in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Matt3046 · Apr 17, 2007, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Skell

From what i heard on the news just now he came to the US when he was 8 years old from South Korea. Although im not and American i imagine that this is a pretty common occurrence? So unless he was trained by your military i don't think that holds up here Matt. But in saying that it wouldn't be the first time someone trained by your military turned on you ;)

Yeah well I was going on yesterdays info. And I am sure that he could have been trained by the us military.
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ordinaryguy · Apr 17, 2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Skell

No problems Ruby... Ill meet you at the Banana Bar in Bangala Rd, Phuket next Tuesday. Ill put you on a boat back here to oz with 200 others immigrants and pick you up somewhere off the coast of Queensland near the Great Barrier Reef. From there it will be a life of bliss with as little guns around as possible.

LMAO! Skell, I can see a rewarding career path for you in the "Human Resources" field (similar to "Natural Resources" in the sense that both are extractive industries).

Ruby, you might want to check out his Better Business Bureau bona fides, and his Dun & Bradstreet rating before you write any big checks.

Allheart · Apr 17, 2007, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Skell

And just so i hope i dont come across as sounding like i am American bashing i will acknowledge that Australia still holds the "record" for the most number of people killed in shooting spree in history. Please see the link below. But I will add that this was carried out in a State that at the time had very "poor" Gun Control Laws. This event was the catalyst for major Gun Control law reform in this country. And one which the majority was happy to see.

If you have time to read all the events that took place that day please do. A horrifying act carried by a complete and utter psychopath.

Port Arthur massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gun politics in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Heeeey :D - What's all this America stuff... hee hee

Yeh, Skell, you are 100% right. I wish all guns here were completely GONE! What are we not getting here??
I just don't understand it, not one bit. It's just awful.

Skell · Apr 17, 2007, 04:20 PM

I put that in there especially for you Allheart because I know how proud you are and love your country and I didn't want to look like I was going after it. And you should be proud too. It is a great nation. But all great nations can do with some fine tuning can't they? However, as I have stated I'm from a different land and I know the right to bear arms is a big part of your law. There would be many that see that as a little scary but that is only there opinion which doesn't make it right. Unless it is mine ;)