[talaniman]

Well thanks for admitting it was YOU guys that gave us Bush, and we all know that was a BUST!

[J_9]

@J I tried but you only had eyes for Ex,

I'm not a one man woman.

@J Racism is alive and well and black youth is demanding you listen.

And I won't disagree. Racism is alive and well.

@J No they aren't the 1% you claim are the problem, they are the mass that lives it daily.

Yes, they are. For the most part the black population are hard workers. They are trying to get out of the system. They want to better themselves. There are the few that find it easier to live off the system, sell drugs, be thugs, etc. This is the minority, but it's what makes the mainstream media. It's not what is representative of the culture as a whole.

@J I'm sure the frustrated mother you quoted didn't want to be at the hospital at 2 in the morning either, and is it possible she had no one to watch the child at home?

Typically, no. And I mean no disrespect, but this is how it happens. When a black woman comes to my unit thinking she is in labor, she is accompanied by a multitude of friends, family members and neighbors. When a Caucasian woman comes up to my department, she is accompanied by her spouse or significant other. Only one or two family members versus 15 or 20. Yes, 15 or 20.

@J If you are frustrated then you should have empathy for their frustration too.

Empathy is my middle name.

@J No worries, I am well aware of your long hard hours on your feet, and take that as due consideration. You do sound better today.

I'm happy to know that you think I sound better today, but in all actuality I am worse. To be brutally honest, not racist, I delivered a baby to an emergency cesarean section last night, father was there prior to the delivery but was nowhere to be found afterwards. Mom bled out, and almost died. Yes, she was black, and I saved her life. The thing that upsets me is that many of you listen to the mainstream media and make concrete decisions. Very few of you actually live what is going on. You can watch your media, whether it be FOXNEXS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. but until you actually live it... And I've lived it.

[smoothy]

Well thanks for admitting it was YOU guys that gave us Bush, and we all know that was a BUST!

Look at what you guys gave us... OWEbama... someone that has actually made Jimmy Carter look good... before he dies of old age.

Sorry, but Bushes worst moments were better than OWEbamas best. And anything good Obama has done requires a lot of long hard difficult looking to find. I can't remember any... but I do remember that there was one thing.

[talaniman]

Guess that's why you want another Bush in office. Must be frustrating living and working among all those liberals.

[smoothy]

Guess that's why you want another Bush in office. Must be frustrating living and working among all those liberals.

Who are "all of these people" you speak of...

Last I've heard Jeb doesn't have a very strong following inside the Republican circles.

Most of what liberals complain about was brought down on them by their own liberal politicians...

The major failing in Liberal philosophy is that its exactly like the instincts of crabs....You can have an open Bushed basket filled to the top....and none will ever rise and escape because the other crabs pull any that try back into the basket.

[paraclete]

Tal how big is the black youth you speak of couldn't be much more than 5% of the population, but in actual numbers that is a lot of people with nothing better to do. These and other poor groups are those who may never have a job because the jobs aren't there despite the allegation they must be there because the illegals keep coming. The illegals keep coming because they have nothing where they are and if you turn off the welfare tap they might stop coming excepting something is better than nothing. I'm guessing there are no farm jobs in the cities where the black youth are and plenty of people prepared to run a nice little sweat shop

[tomder55]

Tal how big is the black youth you speak of couldn't be much more than 5% of the population, but in actual numbers that is a lot of people with nothing better to do. These and other poor groups are those who may never have a job because the jobs aren't there despite the allegation they must be there because the illegals keep coming. The illegals keep coming because they have nothing where they are and if you turn off the welfare tap they might stop coming excepting something is better than nothing. I'm guessing there are no farm jobs in the cities where the black youth are and plenty of people prepared to run a nice little sweat shop

you think the millions of illegals here are doing farm work ? get a clue ,the bulk of them are settling in the urban areas ;especially where idiot progressives declare their towns 'sanctuary cities " . Like I said ,the lure here has to be either the jobs ,or the very generous welfare system . With the labor participation rate at historic lows it is absurd to suggest that we need more workers ;especially low skilled workers .

[paraclete]

Tom, how is it you have a welfare system that supports non-citizens? Don't these people have to satisfy visa, birth, or residency or other criteria? This is like shooting yourself in the foot. I understand the problem, we already have enough camel drivers, and we have a million camels, but you don't have any camels. You notice Tom I also spoke about sweat shops so I'm not foolish enough to think the jobs are agricultural, the more people you have the more construction you have, etc

[tomder55]

Tom, how is it you have a welfare system that supports non-citizens? Don't these people have to satisfy visa, birth, or residency or other criteria? This is like shooting yourself in the foot.

not my idea. Now you will hear that illegals don't qualify for welfare . This is true technically ;BUT our laws say that anyone born inside the country is an American citizen .So the children of illegal immigrants that are born in the United States are eligible for the full spread of government welfare benefits, including Social Security and Medicare.Now that these illegals have given birth to U.S. citizens, the families are eligible for benefits . Not only that ,but once the children are born ,it's impossible to deport the parents because that would mean separating parents from kids ,or deporting an American citizen also.

Yes it is shooting ourselves in the foot with a cannon. This is why Trump has caught on .

You notice Tom I also spoke about sweat shops so I'm not foolish enough to think the jobs are agricultural, the more people you have the more construction you have, etc

Yes they have moved on to jobs where someone could make a living in the trades . American employers are part of the problem there too . But we have to start by controlling the borders and ,enforcing 'E-Verify ' for all employment .

[paraclete]

Verify what? That they have a social security number? By your own words undoubtedly they will have or they are very recent arrivals. I can understand that once you wanted all these new arrivals, "give me your huddled masses" or something like that, but if you keep going like that there will be standing room only. No Trump is right bulld a big concrete fence it might keep 90% out and it will employ a lot of people, or you could just legalise drugs and take over the market, it would pay off your deficit quickly

[talaniman]

American employers are part of the problem there too .

You mean the JOB creators are part of the problem?

[excon]

Hello again,

You KNOW who Mark Fuhrman is, don't you??? He's the racist ex-cop who FOX News puts on all the time to opine about police relations with the black community... What's funny, is that NOBODY mentions that he's a VIRULENT racist. They listen to him with pinched noses and creased brows as though he's saying something IMPORTANT, as though they should LISTEN. It's as if they don't even KNOW he's a racist.. If they were fair and balanced, they'd have somebody like ME on pointing out that he's a RACIST BASTARD..

This thread sounds like that to me..

I'm a simple man. I BELIEVE we're all the same. If ONE group starts acting differently, BECAUSE we're all the same, the cause is EXTERNAL. It simply CAN'T be them, because we're all the same.. Therefore, if you point to THEM, or even SOME of them, as being the cause of their own problems, you're a racist.

Anybody wanna say I'm wrong??

excon

[tomder55]

You mean the JOB creators are part of the problem?

if some of them are breaking the law they should be duly punished.

[paraclete]

Catch me if you can, wonderful system free enterprise means you never have to be responsible for anything

[tomder55]

Catch me if you can, wonderful system free enterprise means you never have to be responsible for anything

the system is in place . all it takes is the will to enforce existing law, something the emperor has problems with in his rush to create law by executive fiat .

The problem with illegals tapping into the social welfare system could easily be solved by changing the 'birthright ' provisions of the law. This comes from a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment . Under the amendment children of LEGAL immigration have automatic citizenship. The lawmakers who gave us Title III of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 expanded birthright to children of anyone born in the country . It is an absurd law ,and the only other country with such expansive definitions of citizenship is Canada. It is probably the biggest single cause of illegal immigration (not jobs as the narrative says ) .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_tourism

[paraclete]

What seems strange to me Tom is the source of illegal immigration into Canada is the US, if their laws are so bad they should have the problem too. Your problem isn't Obama it is the administrations of many years who have not enforced the law. I recall all the things that you blamed on Obama that were the legacies of various other administrations. Now I'm not defending him, no doubt he has made his mistakes but he has had help, heapin helpins of hospitality among them

[talaniman]

You're right Clete, previous presidents have granted AMNESTY for illegals and congress has gone along with it.

Illegal Immigrants: How Many Times Has U.S. Granted Large-Scale Amnesty?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986

....and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce persistently opposed sanctions against employers.

It's not just Obama as you say, but I told you to not listen to the wingers version of the FACTS. If they get the White House in 2016 everything Obama has been talking about will be done and of course they will take credit for it. Obstruction, stalling, and hollering repeal this or that is their WHOLE platform.

You would think they would repeal legal stealing and slavery, by the "job creators" but they haven't.

[tomder55]

What seems strange to me Tom is the source of illegal immigration into Canada is the US, if their laws are so bad they should have the problem too. Your problem isn't Obama it is the administrations of many years who have not enforced the law. I recall all the things that you blamed on Obama that were the legacies of various other administrations. Now I'm not defending him, no doubt he has made his mistakes but he has had help, heapin helpins of hospitality among them

When did I say Obama was the problem (except to point out his use of executive fiat to bypass laws he doesn't like ) ? The problems origin I pointed out was in the Johnson Adm.

[tomder55]

You're right Clete, previous presidents have granted AMNESTY for illegals and congress has gone along with it.

Illegal Immigrants: How Many Times Has U.S. Granted Large-Scale Amnesty?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986



It's not just Obama as you say, but I told you to not listen to the wingers version of the FACTS. If they get the White House in 2016 everything Obama has been talking about will be done and of course they will take credit for it. Obstruction, stalling, and hollering repeal this or that is their WHOLE platform.

You would think they would repeal legal stealing and slavery, by the "job creators" but they haven't.

As I have discussed many times ;Simpson -Mazolli was one of those 'bipartisan deals you progressives love to talk about where your agenda gets priority in exchange for future obligations that amazingly never happen. In this case Amnesty came first on the promise of border security measures . Well we found out how good you guys are at keeping your end of the deal . Then you wonder why the Republicans are less inclined to make these type of deals again ? Because they don't want to end up like Charlie Brown .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=055wFyO6gag

[talaniman]

Come off it Tom, you guys balk at doing what it takes fiscally to secure a border. The Senate Immigration reform bill has all the provisions you guys have asked for, yet it died in the house. A repub house no less.

Talk about strawman arguments! You're good.