[Catsmine]

While we're on "the Donald," Here's an interesting article:

Obama and Trump: Two of a Kind| National Review Online

[catonsville]

While we're on "the Donald," Here's an interesting article:

Obama and Trump: Two of a Kind| National Review Online

Have no time to read it right now. Without reading it, I will give you a quick
response on the subject. Obama Does NOT Love This Country And is Evil whereas
I think the Donald Loves this Country and wants everything GOOD for the USA. Period.

[paraclete]

Have no time to read it right now. Without reading it, I will give you a quick
response on the subject. Obama Does NOT Love This Country And is Evil whereas
I think the Donald Loves this Country and wants everything GOOD for the USA. Period.

I think you have to understand the difference between a person who is educated from birth in the US and one who is not. This doesn't mean they don't love their country but it does mean they have a different perspective. Obama is more about people than is about supremacy of country

[smoothy]

I think you have to understand the difference between a person who is educated from birth in the US and one who is not. This doesn't mean they don't love their country but it does mean they have a different perspective. Obama is more about people than is about supremacy of country

Clete.. you don't get to know much about the real Obama outside the USA (which I do know is a fact having seen foreign news coverage of him myself)... Obama is all about himself... As much of a narcissist as Bill Clinton was, Obama makes him look like the Pope... whats more he hates Americans. His wife actually said it on the record... several times.

He hasn't helped any people... except drug dealers recently. Heaven forbid the people getting our kids on drugs actually sit in jail.

[paraclete]

So Tom you are saying he hasn't helped people by pushing Obamacare into reality, he hasn't helped people by withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan, he hasn't helped people by finding an accord with Iran, the fact is he has put people first beyond the interests of the US abroad. He achieved what Bush couldn't do and cut the head off the snake of Al Qaeda. He didn't sow the seeds for the rise of ISIS, that was Bush. Now if he says that he hates what your country has become, I can understand that. Once we could look to you to leadership but those days have passed, now you are the bully on the block and we are seeing a rerun of the Godfather. Like the Godfather Obama isn't pure, he is just the leader

Any american president is a narcissist, that goes with the territory, it would be impossible not to elect a narcissist, thus the rise of Trump. what you fail to realise that it is impossible to deal with your problems within a political system that is in deadlock

[Catsmine]

So Tom you are saying he hasn't helped people by pushing Obamacare into reality, he hasn't helped people by withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan, he hasn't helped people by finding an accord with Iran, the fact is he has put people first beyond the interests of the US abroad.

He helped Aetna with Obamacare. He helped ISIS with all the equipment he left behind. He helped Khameni and Kerry with the Iranian nuclear arming deal. The fact is he has ONLY put his political donors and cronys interests to the front. An argument can be made that all politicians only help their donors and cronys, but with other politicians sometimes someone else inadvertently benefits.

[tomder55]

So Tom you are saying he hasn't helped people by pushing Obamacare into reality, he hasn't helped people by withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan, he hasn't helped people by finding an accord with Iran, the fact is he has put people first beyond the interests of the US abroad. He achieved what Bush couldn't do and cut the head off the snake of Al Qaeda. He didn't sow the seeds for the rise of ISIS, that was Bush. Now if he says that he hates what your country has become, I can understand that. Once we could look to you to leadership but those days have passed, now you are the bully on the block and we are seeing a rerun of the Godfather. Like the Godfather Obama isn't pure, he is just the leader

Any american president is a narcissist, that goes with the territory, it would be impossible not to elect a narcissist, thus the rise of Trump. what you fail to realise that it is impossible to deal with your problems within a political system that is in deadlock

let me help you here . My avitar is the great founding father Alexander Hamilton .
Smoothy's is the great General William T Sheman .
Now the answer to your question about Obamacare is a definite no. There are as many people without coverage today as there was when it began. But now there are 7.5 million people who had to pay the individual mandate ....ooops I mean tax . So how is the ACA 'affordable to them ? And this year the mandate is going to increase . We already see the seeds of major disruption in provider services. Going the way of the dinosaur is your own doctor . Walk in clinics are popping up all over the place here where instead of being examined by a doctor ;you see a nurse or a PA . If they can treat or prescribe a drug they do it . Otherwise ,they send you off with a referral ;often to the emergency room. So no ,health care has become more impersonal and less people friendly .

The answer to your question about Iran and Afghanistan is also no . His withdrawal has made both countries less stable . What he did in Iraq at least was to seize defeat from victory .
Yes I'm happy OBL is in hades . But by the time of his death he was hardly the "head of the snake" . AQ had already been well on it's way into morphing from a central top down organization into a franchise brand of jihad. Further ;getting back to your point about Iraq. When Bush left office ,the head of AQ Iraq had told AQ to stop sending jihadists to Iraq because the cause was lost there after the Surge and the Awakening .

As far as narcissim ;the emperor takes it to a new level . In the last 5 days he twice flew on Air Force One into NY city .On Friday /Saturday he flew in for a fund raiser ;to walk with his daughters in Central Park ,and to taken in a Broadway hip hop play (he sacrificed his golf game for the weekend ). He then flew back to DC (enough time to re-fuel Air Force One ),and then flew back to the city yesterday to do another fundraiser ,and to do an interview on Comedy Central's ' Daily Show'. We have a name from the traffic disruption when he's in town ...Barack-lock .The costs of his vacations and junkets by the emperor and his wife Madame Defarge are astronomical .
You can say what you want about Bush . Compared to Obama he was humble . He took vacation on his ranch and limited his non-official travel . He took holidays in DC so his staff could spend the holidays with their families .
A Trump Presidency would resemble the emperor's more than Bush.

[smoothy]

We would not have gotten OBL WITHOUT the programs put into place by Bush that found him... and the benefit of the time they had to do their jobs. If it wasn't for Bush.. OBL would still be running loose. Obama had no hand in heir existence.

Obama wanted to shut those down before he was elected. And would have if he was allowed to. We can go further back where we could have had OBL under Clinton but he argued "No controlling authority."

Incidentally... unless that "accord" with he terrorist Regime of Iran is approved by a vote in the Sentate... it doesn't take effect. Co-equal branches of government. The President isn't a King.

Obama has done nothing to help anyone that isn't part of the Welfare class that leach off the productive members of society like the parasites they are.

[paraclete]

Oh Dear! Now let's put this in erspective, Obama won as a reaction to Bush, So let's forget about Bush and focus on the problem you have now, which is inaction and immobility, basically you are up the creek without a paddle. Welfare is a problem, health care is a problem, unemployment is a problem and basically, you got nothing

[talaniman]

They have plenty of noise but no action. Not their fault entirely, since they keep losing national elections to coalitions of people who are tired of the noise, and solution that don't work for them.

Still they holler, as life goes on.

[catonsville]

Good Job OB. Keep the presses running maybe you can run the debt up another 10 trillion before you leave. Where are the new bridges and roads OB? Thanks for putting more people on food stamps. Thanks for letting illegals out of jail to run loose instead of deporting them. Thanks for all the jobs OB, we know how you and your ilk manage to play with the numbers. Thanks for tearing down our military and walking away from Iraq leaving all that nice new equipment for ISSI's to scarf up. Thanks for releasing 5 Taliban Generals for one stinking US deserter. Thanks for making such a wonderful deal with Iran and leaving 4 US Citizens to rot. Thanks for undermining traditional marriage. Thanks you and your family for having the vacations, and travel of a lifetime and wasting our money. I am sure I only hit the tip of the Ice Burg. Maybe, if we are lucky we can get another one just like you to run this country down, to 3d class status. So far you have done an excellent job of moving us up to 3d class.

[paraclete]

They have plenty of noise but no action. Not their fault entirely, since they keep losing national elections to coalitions of people who are tired of the noise, and solution that don't work for them.

Still they holler, as life goes on.

Whose fault is it when you don't have electable candidates

[NeedKarma]

Conservatives are an angry bunch 24/7/365 - what a sh!tty life.

[smoothy]

Oh Dear! Now let's put this in erspective, Obama won as a reaction to Bush, So let's forget about Bush and focus on the problem you have now, which is inaction and immobility, basically you are up the creek without a paddle. Welfare is a problem, health care is a problem, unemployment is a problem and basically, you got nothing

Obama won as a result of widespread fraud by Acorn... NOT as a reaction to Bush. That's what the communist loving media that was covering up the fraud wants everyone to think.

[paraclete]

Seems rigged elections are par for the course over there Bush won by invalidating votes, now you say Obama won by electoral fraud Obama had 62% of the electoral college votes which of the 10,000,000 votes that was the margin of Obama over Mccain were fraudulent, which of the 5,000,000 votes that was the margin of Obama over Romney were fraudulent. The fact is he won because the republicans were too lazy to vote or he was just better at gaining the confidence of the electorate Interestingly there arn't many articles regarding fraud in the 2008, 2012 elections

[smoothy]

Seems rigged elections are par for the course over there Bush won by invalidating votes, now you say Obama won by electoral fraud Obama had 62% of the electoral college votes which of the 10,000,000 votes that was the margin of Obama over Mccain were fraudulent, which of the 5,000,000 votes that was the margin of Obama over Romney were fraudulent. The fact is he won because the republicans were too lazy to vote or he was just better at gaining the confidence of the electorate

Bush didn't invalidate any votes... that's more leftist propaganda that was spread around.

Gore was the one trying to cherry pick some votes while ignoring others. The courts said no dice... you recount them all or you don't recount any of them.

You don't understand how the electoral college works then tossing those numbers around. There are only 538 people in the electoral college. Not 10,000,000.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...ege/about.html

Acorn was caught red handed signing leftist democrats under multiple manes... and signing up illegals who have no right to vote. And the fraud that happened was proven to be far greater than the margin of error. And more than enough to steal the election through fraud. And it was proven in multiple states in multiple jurisdictions where Obama won that somehow had more "registered" voters then existed actual residents. Or statistical impossibilities of zero people voting for the Republican....and the video taped voter intimidation by the Black Panther racists in Philadelphia under Obamas direction.

That's why democrats are dead set against requiring ID at the voting stations, something every other country on the planet requires. Because dead people can't provide current ID's , nor can Illegals nor can many democrats provide ID's under many of the names they vote under.

Democrats can't steal elections if everyone voting has to prove they are who they say and that they actually have the right to vote in the first place.

[paraclete]

That's why democrats are dead set against requiring ID at the voting stations, something every other country on the planet requires.

Where do you get this stuff? I have never been asked for ID at a polling station, the system here works that you identify yourself on the electoral roll by simply stating your name and address. The electoral officer makes a judgement regarding whether you might be the person because they have details of age, sex, etc and we don't have any nonsense about indelliable ink. The number of people who would move between polling stations to vote multiple times is very small but then we have the very civilised system of compulsorary voting so the opportunists have a very small pool to choose from, like recent deaths, nursing home patients.

There are also party scrutineers at every vote counting, independent of electoral officers, so any attempt to fiddle the numbers would be quickly spotted. They would very quickly take any booth to the Court of Disputed Returns if they felt the count wasn't representative of what they had observed

[smoothy]

Where do you get this stuff? I have never been asked for ID at a polling station, the system here works that you identify yourself on the electoral roll by simply stating your name and address. The electoral officer makes a judgement regarding whether you might be the person because they have details of age, sex, etc and we don't have any nonsense about indelliable ink. The number of people who would move between polling stations to vote multiple times is very small but then we have the very civilised system of compulsorary voting so the opportunists have a very small pool to choose from, like recent deaths, nursing home patients.

There are also party scrutineers at every vote counting, independent of electoral officers, so any attempt to fiddle the numbers would be quickly spotted. They would very quickly take any booth to the Court of Disputed Returns if they felt the count wasn't representative of what they had observed

The problem Clete is we have more dead people voting Democrat here... than live in Australia right now.

The problem is numbers... the more you have the smaller a percentage it takes to become rather significant. When you have thugs being allowed to threaten voters, (and it was on video, not here-say) like the Black Panthers in Philadelphia, PA and a worthless AG that refuses to prosecute because he was an honorary if not actual member.

[paraclete]

You have 25,000,000 dead people voting? That must have a huge organisation to accomplish that and a very good reason for voter photo ID. If this is so, how come the impact doesn't carry over to the House elections? It would seem logical that if you were going to do it for the President, you would also do it for the local member. I have to use a US euphenism here; that dog doesn't hunt. How come your electoral rolls aren't up to datey to disenfranchise these dead voters?

[smoothy]

You have 25,000,000 dead people voting? That must have a huge organisation to accomplish that and a very good reason for voter photo ID. If this is so, how come the impact doesn't carry over to the House elections? It would seem logical that if you were going to do it for the President, you would also do it for the local member. I have to use a US euphenism here; that dog doesn't hunt. How come your electoral rolls aren't up to datey to disenfranchise these dead voters?

Not quite that many... but even one is one too many. Perfect reason to REQUIRE ID at the polls. Far too easy to register to vote without ID... far more difficult to actually get the ID.

That is the reason Democrats oppose votor ID laws... because they rely on fraudulent voting. Not the lame excuse they give about the poor. You HAVE to have an ID to collect welfare, food stamps etc, and dozens of other things.

That means these same people have an ID to vote as well.

Maybe Australians are less inclined to break the law than Democrats here are... who knows.