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abubakm8 · Jul 6, 2015, 04:05 PM

A christian brother pointed out 25 mistakes of Dr Zakir Naik in 5 minutes. How can we trust his words? I believe that Zakir Naik is the best scholar but only id I get answer to the above question.

talaniman · Jul 6, 2015, 04:15 PM

If your faith is so easily shaken then you had no faith in the first place and if your knowledge of your faith is so weak that you cannot tell truth from untruth you are a sorry soul indeed.

abubakm8 · Jul 6, 2015, 04:33 PM

No, talaniman. My ability to trust Dr Zakir is doomed. If you can provide a suitable answer, it may be restored. Thanks!

talaniman · Jul 6, 2015, 05:15 PM

What does any of that have to do with your faith in God?

Wondergirl · Jul 6, 2015, 05:18 PM

What were some of those 25 mistakes?

abubakm8 · Jul 6, 2015, 05:31 PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bk5q9TeGo14

Please see the link.

Wondergirl · Jul 6, 2015, 05:38 PM

Looks like Dr. Naik had better go to the library and read up on science. Is this the "I'm famous so anything I say is true" syndrome?

abubakm8 · Jul 7, 2015, 01:47 AM

Exactly. Look people trust him because he is so famous. He actually made effort to point out mistakes. Many of people trust him and don't double check the references. Like" dr Zakir Naik is saying so it must be true". If we actually go on finding there might me many more mistakes.25 are only in 5 minutes. And why don't he make a video in reply to the video made my Cristinan

Originally Posted by talaniman

What does any of that have to do with your faith in God?

No talaniman, I never said it weakened my faith in god. It showed how treacherous a Muslim scholar can be. Just see the link of video I posted, once.

talaniman · Jul 7, 2015, 03:02 AM

You can find people such as him in every religion. What's the big deal in following/trusting him if indeed he speaks untruth? If you look for truth and find none, then you reject him. It is a simple thing. A lesson in not following a famous person blindly.

Fr_Chuck · Jul 7, 2015, 07:34 AM

From video, mistake one, was merely pronouncing the world. And how the person, translating him, spelled it. (not a mistake, just said with middle eastern speech.

The issue of niches on the birds, is not a real issue, but he was correct about them being in niches. And beak length is one of the things found. Just because he did not list everything does not make him wrong.

It is a matter of opinion, if you want to consider it all finches ( no other types of birds were studied) or if you wish to use the various classes of finches.
Still not really that wrong.

The issue with missing links, Darwin did say it. How you decide what it means, is the issue.

If you would even listen to such trash, and let it make you lose faith, is beyond me.
I don't even believe in Islam, and I found this attack both silly, very well planned attack, and using half truths.

And yes, the church was against a lot of science, like the issue of the world being round, or the earth going around the sun.

This appears to be someone, who is taking very minor issues and twisting them for his own usage. So my opinion of this YouTube, I wasted my two minutes and would not waste more than that.

talaniman · Jul 7, 2015, 09:00 AM

Thank you for that great insight Charles, as one wonders why the talking head on a video blasting another would have so much credibility in the first place.

abubakm8 · Jul 7, 2015, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

From video, mistake one, was merely pronouncing the world. And how the person, translating him, spelled it. (not a mistake, just said with middle eastern speech.

The issue of niches on the birds, is not a real issue, but he was correct about them being in niches. And beak length is one of the things found. Just because he did not list everything does not make him wrong.

It is a matter of opinion, if you want to consider it all finches ( no other types of birds were studied) or if you wish to use the various classes of finches.
Still not really that wrong.

The issue with missing links, Darwin did say it. How you decide what it means, is the issue.

If you would even listen to such trash, and let it make you lose faith, is beyond me.
I don't even believe in Islam, and I found this attack both silly, very well planned attack, and using half truths.

And yes, the church was against a lot of science, like the issue of the world being round, or the earth going around the sun.

This appears to be someone, who is taking very minor issues and twisting them for his own usage. So my opinion of this YouTube, I wasted my two minutes and would not waste more than that.

Chuck, I agree some mistakes are not that serious. So , even if we don't consider these 10 (maximum). Even then 15 mistakes aren't less. What about the people he himself create like Sir Whitemeat? It is lying to people. Isn't it?
Like he is the founder of LARGEST islamic organisation IRF (Islamic Research Foundation). This kind of this weakens faith in Islam rather than strengthen it (which he is trying to do). Plus, he must either provide a clarification or apologise for these mistakes (this is just one example there are bound to be even more).

Wondergirl · Jul 7, 2015, 10:31 AM

Any self-proclaimed or popularly proclaimed man of God can make honest mistakes. The more popular he becomes, he unfortunately can become a victim of his own popularity and may begin to come to his own conclusions without proper research or tell white lies or even deliberately lie in order to amaze and confound his followers

CravenMorhead · Jul 7, 2015, 10:59 AM

Our heroes are people and people are flawed. Don't let that taint the
Thing you love.
- Randy K. Milholland

That seems trite but it's important to think on.

I am trying to figure out what that talk was about. He's got a lot of factual errors, but the general idea of what he is saying is a better understanding then what was had many, many years ago. Is he trying to say that the church has endorsed scientific discoveries for centuries (false)? Or that evolution/natural selection exists and the proof of it. I would fact check everything from him and have no faith in him or his talks. It sounds like he's trying to remember and recite what he learned in school many years ago. I would be surprised if he has a phd, or md for that matter.

You should approach any scholar with some s

Wondergirl · Jul 7, 2015, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by CravenMorhead

I would be surprised if he has a phd, or md for that matter.

From Wikipedia --
"He attended St. Peter's High School in Mumbai. Later he enrolled at Kishinchand Chellaram College, before studying medicine at Topiwala National Medical College and Nair Hospital and later the University of Mumbai, where he obtained a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery (MBBS)."

CravenMorhead · Jul 7, 2015, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

From Wikipedia --
"He attended St. Peter's High School in Mumbai. Later he enrolled at Kishinchand Chellaram College, before studying medicine at Topiwala National Medical College and Nair Hospital and later the University of Mumbai, where he obtained a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery (MBBS)."

Which doesn't include anything on the topics that he was talking about. Trust him to remove a wart, but not to talk about the finches.

Wondergirl · Jul 7, 2015, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by CravenMorhead

Which doesn't include anything on the topics that he was talking about. Trust him to remove a wart, but not to talk about the finches.

I wasn't defending him, just being a librarian. :-) I have read comments here and there on various websites, wondering about his credentials. Methinks he should stick to Islam.

abubakm8 · Jul 7, 2015, 03:22 PM

It seems he is overqualified. Not just Phd
Quran, Bible, Veda and many others. Exceptionally talented he is
No doubt about that

CravenMorhead · Jul 8, 2015, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I wasn't defending him, just being a librarian. :-) I have read comments here and there on various websites, wondering about his credentials. Methinks he should stick to Islam.

I concur!

Originally Posted by abubakm8

It seems he is overqualified. Not just Phd
Quran, Bible, Veda and many others. Exceptionally talented he is
No doubt about that

In certain matters. Not in what he's is talking about in the video. On matters of Islam he is quite qualified. He isn't when he talks about evolution, or scientific principles other then the ones he's studied. I wouldn't have faith in his talks that stray from the theological.

abubakm8 · Jul 8, 2015, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by CravenMorhead

I concur!

In certain matters. Not in what he's is talking about in the video. On matters of Islam he is quite qualified. He isn't when he talks about evolution, or scientific principles other then the ones he's studied. I wouldn't have faith in his talks that stray from the theological.

He also have a lot of knowledge about science. Especially biology. I mean he did MBBS which provides with hands on knowledge about medicine and surgery. Plus his arguments are quite logical.

Anyway, like someone above said we must follow a religion not the followers of religion.