[paraclete]

Well I hear Obama is going to take away their heavy weapons, more chipping away

[paraclete]

But apparently it is

Cleveland police department agrees to carry out federal reforms - BBC News

The Cleveland police department have been put on a short leash in what may become the model for other troubled police departments

[tomder55]

But apparently it is

Cleveland police department agrees to carry out federal reforms - BBC News

The Cleveland police department have been put on a short leash in what may become the model for other troubled police departments

what a big surprise ! The emperor wants to nationalize policing in the country . He made that aim a goal long before these bogus pretexts began. In fact he proposed a "civilian security force " as a candidate for the Presidency.

[Wondergirl]

what a big surprise ! The emperor wants to nationalize policing in the country . He made that aim a goal long before these bogus pretexts began. In fact he proposed a "civilian security force " as a candidate for the Presidency.

What's the National Guard?

[paraclete]

That's a civilian military force, a militia, as distinct from a police force. Obama may see state police forces more relevant to policing that local police forces

[tomder55]

Clete is correct . The national guard is military . But then again . His idea of a national internal security force sorta blurs the lines .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

[paraclete]

You already have the FBI and Homeland Security but perhaps you do need a coordinating force on the ground a sort of Carabinieri ROS

Carabinieri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[talaniman]

Guardsmen are valuable first responders during emergency weather disasters too.

Guard's role in disaster response defined more clearly | Article | The United States Army

http://www.ngaus.org/sites/default/f...%20Statues.pdf

[paraclete]

Yes the army is often used in such situations but you wouldn't want them to become cops would you?

[paraclete]

Well this time they didn't shoot, but they might have
http://www.smh.com.au/world/mckinney-texas-police
man-pulls-gun-on-teens-at-pool-party-video-shows-20150608-ghirht.html

It just seems as though the police avoided the training day that dealt with race relations and instead went for an arrest the coloreds because they aren't allowed in this pool. If this is an example of how a trained martial artist handles himself you have to wonder, did he leave his serentity at home

[paraclete]

The cop resigned. Maybe he escaped prosecution maybe not but it is an admission he did the wrong thing which is more than others have done

[NeedKarma]

Between that and the Walmart video going around it's a tough time for the american "dream".

[paraclete]

Yes short fuses everywhere, but everyone has to awake from their dreamtime

[paraclete]

Another report of white on black violence this time no police involved

White gunman shoots dead nine people at black church in Charleston, South Carolina, police say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

A question comes to mind, how come we don't get many reports of black on white violence (riots excepted), does this not happen or is the news suppressed to avoid a white reaction?

[paraclete]

What did an american woman get for standing up for freedom?

Bree Newsome removes Confederate flag in South Carolina, hailed a hero

She lost hers

[talaniman]

Maybe you should brush up on the civil rights movements in America Clete.

[paraclete]

Yes maybe I should because our blacks seem to want some rights back, like the right to wander about, the right to sit down and do nothing and the right to every piece of land that someone hasn't stuck a building on, and then there is the right to be recognised in the constitution whatever that means. This is strange for a people who existed as 250 separate ethinic groups, didn't have a written constitution or even writing and still want to divide up the country

[talaniman]

Is it so strange to want to be included in the process you yourself have implemented? Do you really not understand the concept of equality? Of course you don't since you expect minorities to be assimilated.

[paraclete]

They are no less equal because their particular ethnic group is not named in the constitution in fact that is equality, they are no more equal than anyone else. Any provision which specifically singled them out was removed from the constitution long ago and they became human, not fauna. Of course I expect minorities to be assimilated, that is no special provision be made for them. When someone from a minority becomes a citizen no distinction is made, they will not be referred to by some minority tag as they might be in some other place. They are truly equal, perhaps it is you who needs the lesson in equality because I don't think the message has actually got through over there

[paraclete]

That is my response to the recent outburst by the NRA which suggests Australia's gun laws have failed, well cop this for failure, the rate of death by gun in the US is 370 times that of Australia. I am pleased they are unable to deal death here in the way they can deal death in the US. This isn't about freedom or liberty, neither my liberty or my freedom is threatened and there is no immediate threat on my life from some dillusional kid acquiring a gun and shooting up a prayer meeting.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/your-gun...12-giaqal.html

Obama may once again have cited our success and angered the NRA, but the thing is our success is real. It doesn't mean gun violence doesn't happen here but it seems the criminals confine their activities to killing each other and shootouts with police are very rare. The contrast between our two societies with similar constitutional foundation couldn't be more obvious than in our gun laws which require that only responsible people are allowed to own guns and that they have a good reason for acquiring one.

One important aspect of this is that our police don't go in fear of being shot when on their ordinary appointed duties and therefore they can approach the public in a less confronting way gaining cooperation not animosity.

I suggest the NRA stays where it belongs and stop lobbying in Australia