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tomder55 · Apr 10, 2015, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

What does that prove, that there is a process or that more often than not there is a problem?

Yes there is a process . Sometimes the shooting is justified and sometimes not . It also proves that when not justified the cop is charged .

Also I would never disarm the cops . Last year there were 126 officers killed . 50 were killed by guns.

paraclete · Apr 10, 2015, 02:51 AM

Perhaps they could be a little more selectively armed, but more that that that they operate in pairs because it seems these problem acts occur more often where there are lone officers the idea that each should have a personal camera is also good as it seems such devices lower the incidence of killings and remove the Judge Dredd culture

tomder55 · Apr 10, 2015, 06:23 AM

agree with the cameras . Cops here in the NY area patrol alone but almost always wait for backup .

talaniman · Apr 10, 2015, 06:35 AM

The police chief in this SC town is asking for cameras for all his officers. Many others around the nation are also. We have also seen some disturbing video's caught on camera where questionable behavior was acquitted or deemed justified, so just cameras alone are not the total solution to bad cop behavior/decisions, or citizen deaths, or injury.

This has been an issue for a long time before it became so public. Now it has to be dealt with and all the factors that go into making this a big problem.

paraclete · Apr 10, 2015, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

This has been an issue for a long time before it became so public. Now it has to be dealt with and all the factors that go into making this a big problem.

So why has it been a problem? Poor selection? Poor training? Police culture? I have observed that here the police is a blue collar job, is that the same there

tomder55 · Apr 11, 2015, 02:55 AM

Tal overstates the problem .

talaniman · Apr 11, 2015, 04:51 AM

I recognize it for what it is, a symptom of a greater problem we have to deal with in our country.

paraclete · Apr 11, 2015, 01:41 PM

Do you think there is a will to deal with such problems?

Is this indicative of the problem?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32270655

tomder55 · Apr 11, 2015, 05:59 PM

??? a guy tries to off himself is indicative of nothing .

paraclete · Apr 11, 2015, 06:11 PM

On the contrary it indicates he had a problem with some part of society, he shoots at the capital and offs himself, would indicate some resentment and a feeling of hopelessness.

If you are trying to say that everything is OK, I think there is evidence to the contrary but the solution...

tomder55 · Apr 12, 2015, 01:47 AM

He fired one shot at himself ... yes he had personal issues .In a nation of 319 people you'll find some of them .

paraclete · Apr 12, 2015, 05:47 AM

The population is shrinking too many people offing themselves and others

talaniman · Apr 12, 2015, 06:13 AM

Even with those that are offing themselves and others, the population is growing my overly pessimistic Aussie friend. :D

paraclete · Apr 12, 2015, 03:08 PM

Yes you haven't found the cause yet, unlike your japanese friends, pity and that's optimism you are seeing

NeedKarma · Apr 12, 2015, 04:08 PM

Could be PTSD, it's running rampant amongst veterans and first responders.

paraclete · Apr 12, 2015, 06:28 PM

Come on karma you know that doesn't exist, stiff upper lip and all that. It is just the manefestation of an uncaring society.

We all get to the stage were we have seen enough and need to go do somethingelse. I can't imagine what successive rotations to Afghanistan and Iraq would do to you, the sense of hopelessness and maybe it's like that in the cities too, but I think it is more a loss of faith, when you have nothing to believe in but yourself where do you go?

NeedKarma · Apr 13, 2015, 02:47 AM

but I think it is more a loss of faith, when you have nothing to believe in but yourself where do you go?

So in your opinion those with PTSD are all unbelievers in your religion?

paraclete · Apr 13, 2015, 05:21 AM

No I didn't say that, but unfortunately many have settled for a god of self and that is nowhere to be when you have problems. My comment was a general comment on the state of western society, Believers are a little thin in the ground in some places

talaniman · Apr 13, 2015, 05:41 AM

So religion is the answer to western society ills? I think that's most of the problem since most true believers don't practice what they preach. At least not the ones who get elected.

NeedKarma · Apr 13, 2015, 05:47 AM

many have settled for a god of self and that is nowhere to be when you have problems.

Many settle their problems without a requirement for a belief.

One of my good friends is a veteran with PSTD and a regular church goer. He can't work though he's younger than I.
If you walked into a field of combat or a school after a shooting and saw innocent civilians with their heads blown off, this would not affect you uniquely because of your belief?