[tomder55]

Frankly Tom I see no reason we cannot give the locals a chance to fight for their own rights, instead of us rescuing them.

I imagine what this country would look like if the French said that about our revolution."it's not our business. go fight for your own rights " .

[talaniman]

Imagine where ISIS would be without our support now.

[paraclete]

Don't go there Tal

[tomder55]

Imagine where ISIS would be without our support now.

Imagine where they'd be if we didn't bug out of Iraq before it was wise to do so .

[paraclete]

Leaving Iraq is only one factor, you could have fought an AQ insurgency there forever, it continued after you were gone and the idiocy of the Iraqi leaders made a bad situation worse, however Syria and the rise of daesh is something else. I understand the disengagement in Iraq just as I understand it in Afghanistan but your unwillingness to deal with daesh effectively I don't understand

[tomder55]

it continued after you were gone

wrong , the insurgency was unambiguously defeated by the combination of the Sunni Awakening ,with coalition support . What happened is that when the US announced our bug out ,then the Maliki gvt turned to the only patron in the region they could depend on ;the Iranians. The quid pro quo for that support was to reverse all the power sharing guarantees that the Sunnis had in the unity government . That decision is what bred the Islamic State in Iraq .

[talaniman]

So we should have stayed in Iraq as an occupying force, after we overthrew Saddam, who kicked Iran in the arse, and run their government?

[paraclete]

Where have you been Tom? When did the bombing stop in Iraq? The insurgency didn't stop. You are like Bush and his Stupid mission accomplished

[tomder55]

The emperor will present before Congress a request for an AUMF for our efforts against the Islamic State that will not lead their defeat . It is my understanding that it will be so restrictive in scope that it will, if passed ,seriously limit the ability of the future POTUS to prosecute the "Long War" . It will sunset and restrict the next CIC from extending it until a renewal request in 2018. That means the next POTUS will be bound by it's terms for 2 years .
It is another one of his idiotic plans where we broadcasts to the enemy what military options we will not take and how long we will stay . If I follow the guidelines fron the National Security Assessment,the emperor will act "decisively " ....BUT only 'legally' ,'discriminately' , 'proportionally ',and 'bound by strict accountabilty ' . Now I'm not a weapons expert . So are any of our weapons calibrated to proportionally respond ?

[NeedKarma]

Now I'm not a weapons expert . So are any of our weapons calibrated to proportionally respond ?

You honestly don't know what that means?

[talaniman]

Its to keep the next POTUS from spending trillions of bucks, and sending hundreds of thousands of volunteer kids in Iraq for 10 years, while making contractors rich and fat.

You know like the last Bush Iraq Adventure.

[tomder55]

You honestly don't know what that means?

sure I do . It means 'how to lose a war' . By definition it means we should not be using air power because our enemies don't have air power .

Its to keep the next POTUS from spending trillions of bucks, and sending hundreds of thousands of volunteer kids in Iraq for 10 years, while making contractors rich and fat.

You know like the last Bush Iraq Adventure.

nah ;it's the emperor doing the same mistakes he made in Iraq and Afghanistan....announcing a date for withdrawal before the war is won.

[catonsville]

The "DUD" is already telegraphing. He knows nothing. He will screw this one up, like everything he has touched so far.

[NeedKarma]

How is this Obama's fault again? LOL at the righties.

[tomder55]

The emperor did not mind executing the war under the terms of the AUMF of 2003 . What he wants to do is handcuff the next POTUS . What he should've done is ask for the authority when he started the bombing campaign. Back then he determined that he doesn't need it because the AUMF from 2003 and 2001 was still in effect. He was right then . Why do you think he has determined he suddenly needs a new one now ?

Now can you imagine FDR asking Congress for a declaration of war and telling them. 'I want authorization to wage war against Japan and Germany for a set specified time period. After that time we are going to punch the time clock and go home.' Imagine instead of saying we will do what is necessary to defeat them ,he said his declaration bans “enduring offensive combat operations”.


Of course it would be easy to prosecute the war in the emperor's time frame if he actually fought to win it . But as I already pointed out . He's planning on handcuffing his commanders .

[talaniman]

The congress can give the next POTUS whatever he/she ask for, whenever he/she asks for it, if they want to.

[tomder55]

right .the point is that this may be the first war declaration in our history that has an expiration date . Like Edward Klein wrote .. the emperor is an Amatuer . 6 years later .

What's he going to call it ;'Operation Kick the can down the Road '?

[tomder55]

The really comical thing is that the emperor's war against ISIS,ISIL ,Daesh,the Khorasan group , those vicious extremists who behead and randomly shoot 'folks' in a deli in France..... whatever ,for over a half year now.

It's not like he thinks he needs Congressional authorization. It's not like he would actually restrict how he executes the war if he chose to ignore the provisions of the AUMF .
No ,all he's really trying to do is handcuff the next POTUS.

[catonsville]

"How is this Obama's fault again? LOL at the righties"

Well, we have only lost 2 Embassies thanks to "DUD". Way to go "LEFTY". Disarmed the Marines and taken the vehicles etc. Wonder if he will take it back? Just read that they closed the embassy and that it was not taken over. Earlier report I read said different.

[NeedKarma]

And how many were killed in 9/11 and in Iraq?