[tomder55]

tal if you don't believe there are no go zones throughout Europe then I suggest you take a field trip to "Roubaix, or northern Marseille ,or Evry, and Grignya ,suburbs of Paris, or downtown Perpignan, or the Les Izards district of Toulouse , where police will not step foot, where the authority of state is completely absent, where mini Islamic states have been formed.

Btw ,it's not only Jindal or FOX that called them 'no go zones ' . The NY Slimes reported on them in 2005 .

La Courneuve is a town that menaces, but also welcomes. Branded by France's police intelligence agency as one of the country's 150 "no-go zones" where police officers should enter only with major reinforcements, La Courneuve was caught up in the violence in which rioters torched cars, trashed businesses and ambushed the police.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/wo...anted=all&_r=0

[talaniman]

And this is different than our own riots, looting, and burning cities of gone by decades, how? Isn't the history of man littered with these instances of disharmony as kingdoms fall and nations are built? Its one thing to note conditions, but quite another to ignore the context of them.

What were the Causes of Discontent that Resulted in the French Revolution?

This is hardly the first go round for French, or any other nations dishevel. Hard times tends to bring that about.

[tomder55]

you just refuse to admit a Muslim connection to any problems .

I cannot recall a time in our history where the civil society ceded ground to either lawlessness or communities setting up their own law systems outside of the national ,state or local rule of law .

[paraclete]

or is it arrogance? are playing out in the Australian parliament today as the Prime Minister is being challenged and may be replaced

Tony Abbott: His political gaffes and slip-ups

Let's face it Abbott was at best a bushesk character apt to bumble his way through a speech and until recently one might have thought a savvy politician but you can have one too many captain's calls. A're well, back to budgee smuggling on the beach or being a mamil. Tony thinks "defeat can be a better teacher than success" I think he is about to learn a valuable lesson

[talaniman]

Where were you in the 70's Tom with the emergence of communes and cults? Now it's the Muslims scaring you and deserving of scorn, it use to be the KKK, or the communists, the socialists, the Chinese, the Russians, not long ago.

That's the difference between us Tom, you see this one event as unheard of, and I see it as one of many. These latest events are but a snapshot in time for the human condition.

[tomder55]

Where were you in the 70's Tom with the emergence of communes and cults?

Tell me which ones the police were instructed to not go into to enforce the law ? Tell me which ones the government told that it was ok for them to establish their own judicial system in violation of the laws of the land ?

[talaniman]

You defended Koresh, when they did go in, and blasted government for doing it, while he made a bunch of babies.

[tomder55]

I had no problem with the law being enforced . My objection was twofold. 1. The military was used . 2 . It was heavy handed and killed a lot of innocents.

[paraclete]

Let's face it Tal Koresh should have enjoyed that religious freedom you guys are proud of. What was his problem, he combined religion and guns a perfectly acceptable stance today with many owing even more guns. if you had left him alone he would have drunk the koolaid