[talaniman]

LOL Tom, now that was funny about Christy celebrations causing earthquakes in Texas, but just as you don't buy the politicians account, I wouldn't buy the company account of their policy, and procedures in the fracking/oil pipeline debate being totally safe either. There have been enough documented cases, and instances of devastating oil spills, and water contaminations, to warrant an abundance of caution and oversight, and further study.

Can't they make money a lot more safely? As profitable as oil/gas exploration and development is, it's also proven dangerous not just to humans, but animals, fish, and the environment. Would you be so gung ho if it was YOUR neighborhood covered in smelly oil? Or YOUR water tasting foul and being flammable? Or YOUR house shaking off its foundations?

Naw, I think you would be raising hell, and seeking answers, AND compensation for losses, and disruptions, AND DEMANDING somebodies head to roll!

Would you blame Cuomo for allowing it? Sure you would, just like you blame him now for NOT allowing it!

[tomder55]

um I live in the area I want developed .

[talaniman]

I get that, but you also want safety protocols and proper accountability also don't you? You surely don't want a major screw up and the developer to walk away and leave you with a mess do you?

[tomder55]

of course ;and those are easily doable . This is not exactly new technology . The ones doing it properly even have water treatment recycling on site. (not that there is a whole lot of water being used anyway ).

“Just a few years ago, many drillers suspected water recyclers were trying to sell an unproven idea designed to drain money from multimillion dollar businesses. Now the system is helping drillers use less freshwater and dispose of less wastewater. Recycling is rapidly becoming a popular and economic solution for a burgeoning industry.”

Correction: Fracking-Water Recycling story
I've been watching it from across the border . Pa. is not having any of the issues that alarmist claim. What they do have is an economic boom that we in NY do not share .
You are listening to different propaganda. in many areas there are fissures already in the rock formations where gasses like methane and radon already seep into the water supply . Often when fracking is blamed ,an examination of the real cause is something like a poorly drilled water well.

[talaniman]

I have been actually following the complaints, and lawsuits, and settlements posted on the Pa EPA government website, as well as tracking the news archives. I do that for several states in fact.

That's where I draw the conclusions I do because smart, safe, development balanced with oversights and accountability is good for people, and businesses. Wouldn't you agree?

[tomder55]

that may be your position . But the Yoko Ono's and JFK Jr 's of NY were going to block it regardless of the evidence . Idiot enviro-wackos are killing us . They say a good alternative is to put up windmills along every ridge line of the Catskills (except for the ones that they have a view of from their vacation homes ) . NY lost a golden opportunity here and these fool's only answer is to build casinos .

Read the report below about the migration of population out of the state carefully .

Group: New York’s population exodus continues

[talaniman]

The opportunity is not lost as the stuff is still there waiting for a safer plan, with better benefits, and better outcomes. Why screw it up and have citizens at risk?

[paraclete]

Tom is one of those who supports business at any cost, the right to make money over all other rights, eh Tom?

[NeedKarma]

Tom is one of those who supports business at any cost, the right to make money over all other rights, eh Tom?

That actually is a pretty accurate synopsis.

[tomder55]

the labor flight from NY is real. Typical of elitist liberals to try and keep the working class down and dependent on government .

[NeedKarma]

elitist liberals to try and keep the working class down

<yawn>
You keep fighting the good fight sir!. from your keyboard.

[paraclete]

I think there is something very wrong if this Mccarthyist propaganda is loose in the land, what we would say of someone like this is he has some roos loose in the top paddock. Tom you definitely need another revolution over there, but wait, it was those eleteist liberals that started the last one. You need to decide which side you are on

[tomder55]

wrong on a couple points .
1 there is a huge difference between today's Fabian socialists who call themselves liberal and the classic liberalism of the founders .

2. The revolution's roots were in the working class of the streets of Boston and other cities,on the farms of the colonies , objecting to central control of a distant government that prevented them and their future nation from achieving it's potential. There were too many tariffs, duties, regulations ,taxes and restrictions imposed from 3,000 miles away.
The colonies were forced to buy and sell only with British merchants, instead of being able trade freely with whomever offered them the best opportunities. They were forced to import expensive British goods, instead of producing them at home, where natural resources abounded . Yeah there were some property owners ,but their interests were common with the interests of the man on the street and on the farm. It was the common man that rebelled against the Stamp Act.It was the common man that took to the streets of Boston to oppose occupation. It was the common man like Samuel Adams (who had to borrow clothes to attend the Continental Convention) who boarded the British ship and dumped the tea into the harbor;who burned down tax and other government offices .The revolution's roots were in the Town Hall meetings across the land ;not in the mansions of the landed gentry . It was only when the roots of the revolution had taken place that the so called elites saw the inevitability and signed on.

Here in NY it is the worker who is suffering from the lost opportunities due to pretty much the same intolerable directives from an out of touch state government .

[tomder55]

tal ; the current leadership in the state will NEVER allow the commercial extraction of the Marcellus shale gas and oil . There will always be those phony safety concerns because there is always risks in harvesting any form of energy .

[talaniman]

Did you read the link about the Texas fracking controversy? It's hardly the liberal elites hollering here, but maybe we need to listen if northern elite liberals and southern conservatives are hollering about the same thing.

[tomder55]

Back to XL because there is news . Nebraska's Supreme Court tossed out the Legislature's lawsuit .This leaves the call about the route to Governor Ricketts(it was originally approved by former Governor Dave Heineman) . The route will not change through Nebraska.

One of the emperor's stall tactics was to claim he was waiting for the results of the lawsuit before he approved. He did that because he did not want to commit to his position before the elections. Since then he has signaled on at least 2 occasions that he will veto any vote on XL by Congress. (more Obama gridlock).Last year his State Dept's Environmental Impact statement said that the pipeline would not significantly impact the environment ;nor would it significantly increase' carbon pollution'.
If the emperor vetoes Congressional action ,that would put JF Kerry on the hot seat. For political reasons (he sees another run at the White House ) ,he has not committed to any position on the pipeline.
So he may stall until his term expires . Not good news for our good neighbors to the north ,our most important trading partner. Nor is it good news for the US . The Canadian tar sands oil will still make it to market (. But now the US will not benefit from it . PM Harper said he thought the delay was electoral politics in the US . He is mistaken . The emperor has no intention to allow the construction. Should be an interesting meeting when they get together to finalize the 'Beyond the Border' deal.Harper says he doesn't want the Canadian economy held hostage. So Canada is looking to Asia as an alternative customer .

[talaniman]

You still have to get South Dakota on board,

South Dakota regulators limit disclosure in Keystone XL pipeline case, but opponents appeased | Fox Business

[paraclete]

I expect you have waited six years to use the phrase Obama gridlock Tom but you never complained about the Boehner gridlock. Where do you get the US will not benefit from Canadian product making it to market, the US is benefiting now as it is transported by other means, but Canada needs to learn a lesson from this, don't rely on the US to process your oil for you and rely on your own transport resources, build your own pipeline even with Asian help

[NeedKarma]

We process our own petroleum.

[paraclete]

Apparently you need greater capacity, just as we do, there has been a trend to rely on cheaper producers in far away places which is contrary to the national interest, a much forgotten concept these days except for a few