[Catsmine]

They are no more Islamic than the KKK are Christians

If 90% of the Christian world allowed the Klan to dictate the Christian agenda to the rest of the world, the Klan would be precisely as Christian as the Wahabbists are Islamic. As the one interviewer asked: Where are the moderate Muslims calling for peace? The answer is quite simple: they have been executed by the fanatics or are hiding. Thus the entire face of Islam is an illiterate Arab with an RPG. No he's not typical but he has the rest of the billion or so Muslims behind him, reluctantly or not.

[paraclete]

They are no more Islamic than the KKK are Christians. Your hate allows you to believe their lies.

The KKK is a particular aborition of your society, you might reflect upon that. ISIS is a particular aborition of their society, neither can exist without a wider acceptance of certain values with the society. As cats has said there are no moderate islamic voices speaking out against them, whether this is because of fear or something deeper we cannot tell, but I judge them by their actions and I think that is a fair appraisal. Muslims are an intolerant group and in their society you would not enjoy freedom of speech

[talaniman]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarr...ou-do-not-repr

Muslims Stand Against ISIS, Too | Junaid Jahangir

Sunni and Shii clerics in Iraq jointly drafted and distributed a religious edict to over 50,000 mosques declaring ISIS as an un-Islamic terrorist organization. Sheikh Taha al Karkhi, grand preacher in Baghdad, declared that resisting and standing up against ISIS is a religious duty.
Over 80 Muslim intellectuals, activists and religious leaders in India jointly urged the United Nations to hold ISIS accountable for its brutality, which they termed as a "crime against humanity" and "religious cleansing."
Over 100 British Sunni and Shii Imams released a powerful video to urge Muslim youth to stay away from ISIS, which they branded as an illegitimate and vicious group. About 5000 Norwegian Muslims rallied in Oslo against ISIS.
The Caliph of the Ahmadiyyah Muslim community and the Secretary General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, a group representing 57 countries and 1.4-billion Muslims, also forcefully condemned ISIS. The Indonesian President urgedMuslim leaders to unite their efforts, prohibited Indonesians from joining ISIS and blocked the ISIS Internet sites.
In North America, the two largest Muslim umbrella groups -- Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) -- issuedstatements condemning ISIS. CAIR strongly urged American Imams and other community leaders to speak out against American Muslims traveling abroad to join extremist groups like ISIS.
Conservative and progressive Muslims are united in their condemnation of ISIS.

World Muslim Congress : Muslims Stand Against ISIS, Too

Yasir Qadhi, a conservative Muslim leader, stated that the Prophet warned us about groups who would spread bloodshed and yet think of themselves as the best of worshipers. He further mentioned that, "no amount of the evils of American foreign policy can justify the murderous rampage of ISIS and its ilk."
On the progressive side, Mike Ghouse of the World Islamic Congress went so far as to call for drone attacks against ISIS. From Switzerland academic Elham Maneaurged Muslim communities and nations to look inward and vanquish intolerant dogma and regressive politics to remove ISIS.

Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV) USA President, Ani Zonneveld, tweeted that IS does not stand for Islamic State but "International Scum." The eighth annual MPV retreat will also focus on countering supremacist ideologies espoused by groups like ISIS.

Your appraisal is based in hate and is irrelevant to reality, and UNFAIR. Your hate makes you lazy, just Google and learn. Then reflect HONESTLY with facts not just prejudiced feelings. Then maybe you can choose to reject the side of FOOLS!

[paraclete]

And tal just taking up a point in one of those pieces "

no amount of the evils of American foreign policy

You are defending those who see your policies as evil, quite a paradox to leap over there and tell me are their appraisals based on hate, why are you not denouncing them? Who is on the side of FOOLS now?

I think the statement of Zonneveld got it wrong "International Scum." should be Islamic Scum does he really thing there are no Syrians and Iraqi fighting for ISIS? Obviously you don't understand that the International scum he speaks of are some american scum fighting for ISIS

[Catsmine]

I will admit to hatred of the creed. It started as a personal grief in 78. Everything I have studied about Islam since then, from jihad to taqqiyah to submission to misogyny, has only deepened my disgust and loathing. The few good parts were taken verbatim from the Torah.

[tomder55]

Show me the new convert to Christianity ,Judaism ,or almost any other religion who signs up to behead ,murder ,rape ,or blow themselves up. This guy in Ottawa isn't the only one. A recent convert in Oklahoma beheaded a woman. WG the guy was a criminal before converting . Obviously converting did not change his behavior for the better .

[paraclete]

It is interesting to note that Islam converts criminals in jails as well a radicalising youth, something about it appeals to the criminal mind, it can't be redemption because Islam doesn't offer redemption

I'm with Tom on this one whatever they are doing the outcomes are not good

[tomder55]

Yesterday we had a guy hack at police officers with an ax . One officer was hit in the arm and another in the head before the other officers shot and killed the attacker . His name is Zale Thompson. He had posted on social media according to the press comments that "display a hyper-racial focus in both religious and historical contexts, and ultimately hint at his extremist leaning."

That's the pc way to say he posted jihadist rants. He described "jihad as a justifiable response to the oppression of the 'Zionists and the Crusaders." The press claims that authorities are searching to find a motive . lol

In Israel a Palestinian drove his car into a crowd killing a baby . In Quebec another jihadist ran his car over two soldiers in a parking lot , killing one, before being shot dead by police.

What do they all have in common ? They are Islamist attacks occurring days after the Islamic State called for such lone wolf attacks.

[talaniman]

No Tom, they are looney criminals who you listen to, and blame whatever god they name to justify their evil. They make you afraid and you hate some more. That's what you haters like Clete have in common, you listen to the message of the evil fringe lunatics, which is in itself crazy as hell. That doesn't justify your fear of the other 90% who do NOT, that you CHOOSE to hate on.

I guess you haters cannot see that by repeating the rantings of lunatics you help the lunatics make you MORE afraid of the wrong thing.

[Wondergirl]

What came first, the chicken or the egg? the mental illness/antisocial mentality or the religion? Any religion can be twisted to justify mayhem.

[tomder55]

I'll go with tal's numbers 10% of a billion people. Maybe any religion can be twisted . But we are talking about one that is twisted .
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."(Manuel II Paleologus 'Dialogue with a Persian')

[Wondergirl]

You can justify killing with the OT, too.

[talaniman]

The great debate of the application of good orderly direction, and man's unique gift of choice. It gets screwed up with man's insistence that his divinity is better than another man's. An age old conflict often solved with the swords of both sides Tom, of which your boy Manual II was no stranger either.

For all the years of evolution and progress we all carry baggage that we are reluctant to unpack.

[tomder55]

You can justify killing with the OT, too.

and how many Jews do these days ? I'll go further ,the best passages of the Quran were lifted almost verbatim from the OT. Then there are the passages based on the words and actions of the religion's founder.

of which your boy Manual II was no stranger either.

he defended the Byzantine capital against a 700 year assault on it by the hordes of Muslims.

[talaniman]

He was also exiled to the Ottoman Empire as a hostage too, so what? I could list the many conflicts going back to the crusades, neither side had clean hands. That's what wars were back then. Every freakin' body was trying to conquer and control the world. Little progress has been made. SOS!

[paraclete]

Little progress has been made.

Remarkably that seems to be the case here

[tomder55]

Little progress has been made because there is no serious effort to delegitimize the Ideology behind jihadistan . tal keeps talking about KKK. But the KKK has been delegitimized in the nation . The remnants are fringe who would not dare walk down the streets in white sheets because they would be taken down by every other segment of society . It does little use to claim every jihadist attack is the actions of the unstable or deranged . The fact that jihadism attracts the unstable is further indictment on it's ideology .Taking down the Islamic State ,and AQ ,and Boko Harum ,and all the other kindred of Cain are important . But ,it is the ideology that has to be defeated to ultimately win.

[paraclete]

That's a wrong analogy there Tom they are the kindred of Ismael, the legacy of Abraham, another man who took matters into his own hands rather than wait for God and the kindred of Abraham fight on. You have to be careful whose advice you take or you might create a monster

[talaniman]

Now we have to trace all the begets of the bible?

Abrahamic religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The largest Abrahamic religions in chronological order of founding are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; the Bahá'í Faith is sometimes listed as well.^[9] There are other smaller religions that are also considered Abrahamic like Zoroastrianism.

[tomder55]

I said kindred of Cain because of their murderous ways .