[paraclete]

Suddenly the fate of millions in Iraq has disappeared from the news agenda. What happened? did the war end? were the militants conquered? No, the world has turned its attention on that ongoing spat between Israel and the Palestinians and once again a different sort of militant is getting their backsides kicked, which is making front page news. It no longer seems to matter that rabid islam is making the lives of millions a misery a few hundred miles away. I have become cynical about all of this, it is a bad scene, but why are we hearing about this again?

[talaniman]

Bugs you huh? Get Netflix, and leave the news alone. Or find a hobby you enjoy.

[tomder55]

The Israelis respond to barrages of rocket attacks and the world calls for their restraint . I love this line of cr@p ......they should use 'proportional response' . I don't even know what that means . Should they respond by also randomly launching rockets into Gaza ?
The Israelis give warnings to the population BEFORE they attack ;and they only attack in civilian areas because that is where Hamas hides the weapons and where they launch them from.
'Roof knocking': The Israeli military's tactic of phoning Palestinians it is about to bomb - The Washington Post

[NeedKarma]

Let them exterminate each other.

[paraclete]

I think the Israeli response is at least proportional unless the size of the weapons used is taken into account, but this escalated from the death of three Israeli teenagers to the possibility of an incursion into Gaza with a cast of thousands. There is already more than a thousand casualties. If the world wants a proportional response equip the Gazians with jet fighters, it should be interesting to see how long they last.

I do think you response is a little extreme Karma, I think we know who would be exterminated and we don't want another of those scenarios playing out, do we?, No the Palestians need to be moved out of Gaza, too many people crowded together, but then who would take them? the west bank?

[cdad]

I think where the problem is is that they dont see the casualties on the Israeli side because of the iron dome. If that wasnt there it would be much higher. The UN thinks talking will do the trick but in this case it has to be brute force. That is the only thing the other side understands.

[paraclete]

Do you think there is understanding? there is only raw hatred and the focus of that hatred is just a few miles away. The palestinians don't understand anything but Israel exists on their land, even when they have their own state it wll not stop because they can never have what they want

[tomder55]

Would love to see what the response would be if a nation was lobbing rockets into Aussie cities.
The Iron Dome is a costly but effective defense (thank you Ron "raygun" .... thank you all the nay sayers who mocked the idea of a missle defense system) . But an incursion is needed to take out the missle sites .

The intentional deaths of Israeli teens was the provocation . But make no mistake ; all this was preplanned and is being directed from Tehran. Hamas and Hezzbolah are running joint command and control out of Lebanon.
Hezbollah, Hamas coordinating on the ground: official | News , Lebanon News | THE DAILY STAR

It is also true that besides Hamas ;the Iranian backed Islamic Jihad is also firing rockets out of Gaza ,independent of Hamas direction. So even if a cease fire could be negotiated ,all the parties involved would not honor it .

[paraclete]

Make no mistake Tom the Israeli have a right to defend themselves just as we would do if anyone attacked us, we are repelling borders right now while you are stewing about what to do with a few children. A practical solution to the palestianian question is no different to the response to the jewish question after WWII. The palestinians need a homeland but they have proved to be so difficult a people no one wants them anywhere else but where they are right now.

You and I know the prophecies, rivers of blood in the middle east, noone said the process had to happen all at once.. Israel is a thorn in the arab side, in the muslin side. The british should have known that and so should the UN but they didn't care, they had a problem, a refugee problem and they dealt with it. now there was a plan to offer a jewish homeland on the australian continent but they didn't take it, pity we could have done a lot with all those bright, industerous, immigrants

[tomder55]

The palestinians need a homeland but they have proved to be so difficult a people no one wants them anywhere else but where they are right now.

Hamas is more concerned with destroying Israel than governing . The PLA is just as weak . As Golda Meir said ...

“Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”

[paraclete]

Yes Tom but the arabs send their children to deliver bombs, no love there. No we all have to be serious about rooting out terrorist organisations, even those who masquarade as an elected government. the Tabiban suffered wrath, and so should Hamas even if it takes invasion. Saddam ultimately suffered wrath for attacking Israel, let noone think invasion of Iraq was anything but payback and Hamas should have learned from his fate. The PLA have had the good sense to stay on the political side of the argument and in doing so they have proved peace is possible even if it is at the point of a gun and a very big wall. What I ask is why Israel isn't attacking Egypt? are we actually expected to think the palestinians have the capability to manufacture thousands of rockets? or do we think the flow stopped with Morsi? you and I know this has Iran written all over it as a diversion from Iraq, a little bit of "hey look over there, there is nothing to see here"

[tomder55]

let noone think invasion of Iraq was anything but payback

please ! you sound like one of those idiots who claim "neocons" are "Jews " and that there is a Jewish cabal running American foreign policy .

[paraclete]

I have no doubt that various lobbies have considerable influence with your government, I observe your government has not called upon anyone to cease fire merely an offer to negotiate, so they tread very carefully where Israel is concerned particularly in this election year so stop blowing smoke

[tomder55]

I have no doubt that various lobbies have considerable influence with your government, I observe your government has not called upon anyone to cease fire merely an offer to negotiate, so they tread very carefully where Israel is concerned particularly in this election year so stop blowing smoke

Who should we call out to cease fire ? Hamas ? Give me a break! The Palestinians become instant victims when Israel responds to ANY provocation.

[talaniman]

Doesn't take much provocation for either side to retaliate. Never has.

[tomder55]

I'd say an annual average of 3 rocket attacks every day from the Palestinians is more than enough provocation to level Gaza City .Since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, terrorists have fired more than 8,000 rockets into Israel. Over 5 million Israelis are currently living under threat of rocket attacks.More than half a million Israelis have less than 60 seconds to find shelter after a rocket is launched .

[tomder55]

Will the Palestians have gone too far when one of their rockets hits the Dimona reactor ?
Israel bombarded by Hamas as rockets target nuclear reactor | New York Post

[talaniman]

You guys always say the solution to a bad guy with a weapon is a good guy with a weapon, so the theory is about to be tested it seems.

[tomder55]

As cruel as it sounds ; sometimes it takes 'salting the earth ' to eliminate a threat.

[talaniman]

That is how Israel and Egypt came to an agreement way back in the day. But Hamas is a whole different horse. Most Palestinians don't like Hamas. Crazy guys with guns.