[tomder55]

they are not needed here. Unemployment has not significantly dropped since the crash ;and it's completely out of control for certain populations .All these "migrants " will do is further drain the resources of the taxpayers by consuming public assistance . Already they are bringing with them diseases that were eradicated here years ago .TB, malaria, yellow fever, food and waterborne diseases, and dengue fever, are just a few of the diseases crossing the border with them.

[tomder55]

Canada to Scale Back Foreign Worker Program - WSJ

[NeedKarma]

Jason Kenney effectively phasing out temporary foreign workers in low-wage jobs - Politics - CBC News

[tomder55]

so what will you do with all those "refugees" you would so willingly invite in ?

[talaniman]

We could do here what we have always done with immigrants who show up mostly by boat. Check 'em for disease, and giving them working papers, and some food and a cot till they get their legs under 'em.

I like how you justify kicking them in the butt because of the minorities being harmed who have been here since the birth of the nation and whose butts you have whipped and kicked even now. Please spare me the compassion of conservative whose founders wrote "we the people" and "all men are created equal".

Time you started keeping your own words. Or tear up the paper you make a complete mockery of.

[tomder55]

We have not "always " done that . There have been varying degrees of numbers allowed in the country in the past . By allowing them the "right " to cross the border and violate the laws denies others who have been true to the process their right of entry .

[talaniman]

How about poking a stick up congressional a$$ and getting true reforms, policies and solutions that's I as far to the Brown people as it was for the white people? Obviously immigrants have been coming here for centuries despite the hardships, obstacles, dangers. Just as obvious that's not going to change, but can be made orderly and human.

[tomder55]

what a steaming pile of cr+p . You don't favor honoring and enforcing laws that exist . The only acceptable reform for you is open borders and unrestricted admission.

[talaniman]

Actually you're right, I was against the fence too. What's a steaming pile of crap though is the immigrants who came here and didn't have to climb a fence are hollering about fellow AMERICANS (Mexico is in the Americas as well as all the Central and Southern AMERICAN countries, look on any MAP) who did.

You actually think you steaming pile of crap smells better than mine? Better check your shorts again.

[Catsmine]

Put up or shut up time, Tal. How many new immigrants are you prepared to PERSONALLY house and feed? They have to live somewhere; how big is your couch?

[paraclete]

tal's not into couch surfing, eh tal the bleeding hearts arn't offering accommodation themselves, they just want to be seen doing something

[talaniman]

Meet me in the middle and WE figure it out. Will you help, or just holler? Put up or shut up.

[tomder55]

been there done that . See Simpson-Mazzoli Act . We honored our part . The Dems did not live up to theirs .

[talaniman]

How so was it JUST the dems fault?

[tomder55]

yup .Amnesty was granted in exchange for strengthened enforcement . But that never happened ,and I see no support for enforcement by the Dems.

[talaniman]

More border security and patrols under Obama than previous presidents, says Debbie Wasserman Schultz | PolitiFact Florida

[smoothy]

Doesn't matter if they are all lounging around drinking beer and eating donuts while illegals run right past them.

[talaniman]

Under Obama, border apprehensions have fallen from their high points. Border apprehensionspeaked at almost 1.7 million in 2000 under President Clinton, and apprehensions in 2011 were at the lowest level since 1970. The post-2008 declines are due to the recession and loss of jobs which had attracted unauthorized immigrants. Net illegal immigration from Mexico has fallen to zero or even fewer coming than leaving.
Expert analysis
We sent Wasserman Schultz's claim to immigration experts. No one disputed the border patrol numbers, but they also pointed to other factors when examining changes in border security that provide a more complex picture.
"Yes, the number of Border Patrol agents is at an all-time high," said Rey Koslowski, an expert on the border and an associate professor of political science and public policy at the University at Albany. "Whether that equates to 'border security' is another question. As to who should get more credit for border security, the fence was a bipartisan project."
Christopher Wilson, an associate with the Wilson Center's Mexico Institute and an expert on border management, noted that border patrol agents don't precisely equal border security.
"In the end, though, you can't deploy border security, it must be something that is achieved. This gets into one of the major problems with the whole border security debate—the lack of an accepted definition of the term."
Our ruling
Wasserman Schultz said, "President Obama has the most border patrols and border security deployed at the border of any previous president."
She is correct that the highest number of border patrol agents has been under Obama: there were 21,444 in 2011. Wasserman Schultz was careful here and said "most" and didn't talk about the growth rate. But it's worth noting that the big growth was during Bush's tenure: between 2001 and 2009, the number of agents posted nationally rose from about 9,800 to a little more than 20,000.
Other border security measures are not as simple to quantify. The key piece of infrastructure -- the fence -- was launched under Bush. Work on the fence and other border security improvements continued under Obama.
We rate this claim Mostly True.

[Catsmine]

Meet me in the middle and WE figure it out.

Typically, whenever a Leftist says "WE" it means he talks and I pay for it. It's been the modus operandi of the Democrats since Woodrow Wilson.

[talaniman]

I am not a leftist and neither of us was here during Wilson. Most people think I am fairly reasonable and open minded. :D