[tomder55]

well there you have it . The Canadians got tired of waiting for the waffling emperor and decided to instead approve the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline to their west coast. This is a half year since Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird said "the time for Keystone is now.
Who is really driving this decision ? Warren Buffet ,who's trains bring the crude from the Dakotas to the refineries ? Or Tom Steyer ,Dem donor who's fortune is invested in alt energy ?
So now instead of heading to American refineries ,for Americans to produce ,the Canadian crude will ship to Asia for refining. That's 42,000 jobs lost between construction and production according to the emperor's own State Dept.

[catonsville]

Satan really does live in a White House.

[talaniman]

Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Pipe Dreams: How Many Jobs Will Be Created By Keystone XL? - Forbes

Keystone XL refineries already exporting 60 percent of their gasoline - The Price of Oil

[NeedKarma]

Satan really does live in a White House.

There is no such thing as satan, it's a made-up construct to keep people frightened.

[paraclete]

That's not the opinion of Iran they see the nation of USA as satan but back to the OP americans should be glad of this decision it strikes an important blow for the environment

[tomder55]

nonsense . The oil will be refined with less controls .

[tomder55]

Tal ,it's your emperor's State Dept that says the pipeline creates 42,000 jobs. All you envirowackos are Luddites .

[paraclete]

yes but it won't be piped through sensitive environmental areas and those areas won't be distrubed by pipeline construction. Meanwhile the pristine rockies will suffer some degregation but as noone lives there noone will see it which is much like the rest of Canada. Now I know there is a certain senselessness in the decision since oil is already exported from this source to the US by pipeline but Canada is in charge of its own destiny. As far as the questions of emissions at the refinery, in keeping with your other policies in pollution exportation where would you like them to be emitted?

[tomder55]

yes but it won't be piped through sensitive environmental areas and those areas won't be distrubed by pipeline construction

instead it's transported by rail . You think that's safer ? This was a month ago.
Virginia train crash and explosion sends crude oil spilling into James River

Either way ,the oil will still be transported by pipeline through environmentally sensitive areas . But now it will be shipped as crude to be refined elsewhere.

[paraclete]

exactly, it was being shipped hundreds even thousands of miles to be refined then shipped out, now it will be piped hundreds of miles then shipped out. I really don't see the difference expect the US doesn't get to wet its beak. You are complaining you lost some business, that's what procrastination will do and it seems to me that obstructionism can work both ways, who would have thought? Either way it will get the oil off US rail so you have a win, reduced risk for you, reduced environmental problems for you and yet you are not happy

[tomder55]

I am unhappy with the emperor who is hostile to jobs because he is catering to a small extremist wacko constituency . This decision will burn his party ;a party that used to care about the working person.

[NeedKarma]

Neither party cares about you, haven't you figured that out yet? They promise you the moon during the election cycle then once in they cater to the corporate/special interest groups that line their pockets. This has been going on for decades.

[tomder55]

yeah that's always the last line of defense here .....' both sides do it'. But unlike the libs here ;I take on both parties

[NeedKarma]

yeah that's always the last line of defense here .....' both sides do it'.

No that's your line of defense. My point is that your efforts should be better spent trying to change that system.

;I take on both parties

LOL, no you don't. You're a fanatical right-winger that only seeks to besmirch all that is not ultra-conservative.

[tomder55]

when the Repubics act like big government libs I take them on. The libs here never criticize their own. They are a bunch of cheerleading Obots.

[NeedKarma]

This place a big conservative echo chamber. That's why you like it here.

[paraclete]

this gets more seriel as time goew by Tom critising the conservatives

[tomder55]

wrong again clete . Did not say I criticize conservatives . But you have seen me take on Republican polices frequently .

[talaniman]

I think you are more flexible, and pragmatic than the average conservative Tom. There is hope for you. I suspect your free market ideology makes you forget the human equation in your stated positions though. I just feel the system is rigged in many unfair ways, and was designed to be from the start.

[tomder55]

the human equation is all I'm thinking of . The pipeline allows us to EXPORT oil . That jobs for humans and it also helps the trade balance which also benefits humans .