[tomder55]

The EPA ,in their crusade to justify ever more draconian regulations on the American people, have been conducting experiments on humans. They have
deliberately exposing people ; including children with asthma and other health issues, to pollution to justify new air quality standards.
They released a report this week called 'Improvements to EPA Policies and Guidance Could Enhance Protection of Human Study Subjects"
http://www.epa.gov/oig/reports/2014/...-14-P-0154.pdf
They admit that they "exposed 81 human study subjects to concentrated airborne particles or diesel exhaust emissions in five EPA studies conducted during 2010 and 2011." ....levels of pollutants up to 50 times greater than the EPA itself says is safe for humans.
There were consent forms signed by the victims .However according to the Daily Caller ;
“only one of five studies’ consent forms provided the subject with information on the upper range of the pollutant” they would be exposed to, but even more alarming is that only “two of five alerted study subjects to the risk of death for older individuals with cardiovascular disease.”
Report: EPA tested deadly pollutants on humans to push agenda | The Daily Caller
The EPA claims that they did not mentions risks like cancer because the agency considered the risks minimal from short-term exposure.

three of the studies exposed human subjects to high levels of particulate matter while two of the studies exposed people to high levels of diesel exhaust and ozone. Diesel exhaust contains 40 toxic air contaminants, including 19 that are known carcinogens and particulate matter.

They exposed children to pollution as part of an experiment at the University of Southern California (USC ) ;giving the university grant money to study how particulate matter affects asthma in susceptible children.
David Schnare, a former EPA scientist, said:

EPA parked a truck's exhaust pipe directly beneath an intake pipe on the side of a building. The exhaust was sucked into the pipe, mixed with some additional air and then piped directly into the lungs of the human subjects. EPA actually has pictures of this gas chamber, a clear plastic pipe stuck into the mouth of a subject, his lips sealing it to his face, diesel fumes inhaled straight into his lungs.

CHAPEL HILL: Report: EPA fails to disclose risks in human tests

Senator David Vitter reacted by saying “When justifying a job-killing regulation, EPA argues exposure to particulate matter is deadly, but when they are conducting experiments, they say human exposure studies are not harmful.” .....“This is a prime example of how EPA handpicks what scientific information and uncertainties they use to support their overreaching agenda.”

Business: Washington Post Business Page, Business News
Chairman of the EPA Oversight sub-committee Paul Broun said that “it is abhorrent for EPA to be conducting these human experiments without providing robust information and notification to the patients about the risks of death and following the strictest protocols. This blatant disregard for the safety and well-being of others is despicable, and the proper steps must be taken to ensure that such carelessness does not occur again.”

[parttime]

Just drudging up B.S.

Daily Caller Only Cares About Pollution Risks When Attacking EPA | Blog | Media Matters for America

[tomder55]

so their reporting is wrong ? Is the Washington Compost also misreporting ?

[paraclete]

Tom my only response is your nation sounds more and more fascist with each new report, but a liberal democracy can't be fascist, can it? but wait, it is not a democracy, as you have informed me often, it is a constitutional republic, what ever that might be. As I see it you are on the horns of a dilemna, either you are to be governed by extreme right wing policies or extreme left wing, but either way you are screwed and can be used as guinea pigs in whatever social experiment the "Administration" decrees

[talaniman]

Why do we have to experiments on humans in the first place, when we already know that pollution is harmful even fatal to humans, and companies that pollute don't want regulations to curb that fact because it mean less profits?

Funny how that never comes out from your side Tom, just the job killing regulation part. So yeah your reporting is biased and MISLEADING trying to distract from the FACT that your sides agenda is profits before people. That's what makes your assertions WRONG!

[tomder55]

so you and Media Matters are ok with human experiments .. ok . Why do they need human experiments when they've already determined that the level of exhaust they exposed the subjects to is harmful ?
Good question . Maybe you should ask them that . Maybe they aren't as sure about their premise.

[paraclete]

look, you don't need tests on humans to know exhaust fumes are harmful yet we still allow motor vehicles to pollute our cities, afterall it's commerce and yes, to subject humans to tests on other forms of pollution is not only stupid. it is criminal, but honestly there are only a few countries in the world where such things are allowed and your so called liberal democracy is one of them. Shame!

the opportunity to do something about it will soon present itself

[tomder55]

perhaps it is the unconstitutional power that the leviathan seizes that leads to such outrage .

[talaniman]

perhaps it is the unconstitutional power that the leviathan seizes that leads to such outrage .

Another dodge that never solves the problem of pollution. What's outrageous is to continue to adversely affect human health, and resist any effort that do. I mean its really simple, outrage over experimenting with VOLUNTEERS would be more credible from YOUR guys if they were addressing the decades of evidence that already shows human harm. Your corporate leviathan is no more palatable that the government one you are against.

Both sides are equally despicable in policy and procedures.

[tomder55]

let's face facts here . the left has always employed human experimentation. This is no different than the Roosevelt US Public Health Service syphilis experiments in the 1930s .

[talaniman]

Clinical trials involving human volunteers is old as the hills and its not a left right thing but a human thing. Now you blame Roosevelt for the Tuskegee Experiments?

[tomder55]

Can you imagine if Prescott Bush ran the US Public Health Service during Tuskegee? You'd never hear the end of 'Republican Nazi's and their hatred for blacks ' . But no ...I blamed Roosevelt's Public Health Services ,not Roosevelt . Are you saying that these experiments on humans are justified for the greater good ?

[talaniman]

It's a BIG difference between volunteering for a clinical trial, and experimenting in secret on humans. It's a matter of choosing to participate. Nobody was forced to suck pollutants, but nobody gave consent NOT to be treated or LIED to.

[tomder55]

when the EPA did not disclose the risks ,then they withheld information that was needed before the victims volunteered.

[talaniman]

That's what you report, but without the consent forms it's speculation. Come on Tom, if you volunteer to test the effects of poison you already assume some risks. Much the same as volunteering to test experimental drugs. We haven't heard from the volunteers or their attorneys. That's what makes your outrage dubious, and your concerns not all that credible.

To me at least they appear to be agenda driven. A smear campaign to derail regulation to clean the air of poison. Certainly we see no actions by the outraged ones that produces cleaner air. If indeed you are outraged over poisoning humans, and not an excuse to keep poisoning us humans who don't volunteer to be poisoned.

Or is it okay to poison humans for profits? Don't answer, actions speak louder than words, or outrage.

[cdad]

It's a BIG difference between volunteering for a clinical trial, and experimenting in secret on humans. It's a matter of choosing to participate. Nobody was forced to suck pollutants, but nobody gave consent NOT to be treated or LIED to.

If children were involved then no they didnt consent. They cant. And in saying that they did is exactly the high horse your side seems to have when you force your form of morality on everyone else.

[tickle]

I don't know how you guys can post hogwash like this on our site. You should be ashamed of yourself. I didn't read everything, I didn't want to.

[talaniman]

USC study shows air pollution may trigger asthma in young athletes

They took the Brietbart sight down so I used the actual study link and nowhere were children used as guinea pigs.


For

the Lancet study, researchers monitored about 3,500 of these children. Children with no history of asthma were recruited from the fourth grade (ages 9 or 10), seventh grade (ages 12 or 13) and tenth grade (ages 15 or 16) and were tracked for up to five years.
Interviewers asked children about sports at the beginning of the study: whether they had participated in sports in the past year; how many sports; and what kinds. Sports included basketball, football, soccer, swimming, tennis, baseball/softball, volleyball and others. They also asked every year if a doctor had diagnosed them with asthma.
Researchers also measured air pollution—mostly from vehicle emissions—in each community. They monitored hourly levels of ozone, particulate matter (dust and smoke), nitrogen dioxide and acid. Using the measurements, they divided the communities into two groups: low-pollution areas and high-pollution areas.Over five years of follow-up, 265 of the children were diagnosed with asthma. Overall, children playing team sports were more likely to develop asthma. In communities with high levels of ozone, researchers saw a trend of increasing asthma with the number of team sports children played

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[cdad]

USC study shows air pollution may trigger asthma in young athletes

They took the Brietbart sight down so I used the actual study link and nowhere were children used as guinea pigs.


For .

Must not be the original as they have taken and edited it. What else is new ? Here is the original.

http://junksciencecom.files.wordpres...21412-copy.pdf


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During Year 3, we intend to recruit adults and children for Aim #1, commence recruitment for Aim #2, and repeat our
mouse/sulforaphane experiment in Nrf-2 knock-out mice to confirm that the action of sulforaphane is indeed through
activation of Nrf-2.

[paraclete]

sigh