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    Mar 29, 2014, 05:47 AM
    last time I herad the term drain the swamp, it was in reference to arses and alligators, but alligators don't live that far north and arses are universal
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    #22

    Mar 29, 2014, 07:41 AM
    Let's not forget Lois Lerner. The hits just keep on coming.
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    Mar 29, 2014, 08:06 AM
    Yes there are more ... I should've included her. This week the new head of the IRS ,John Koskinen continued the stonewalling ,telling Congress that the IRS would not comply with the congressional request for Lerner e-mails and other documents this year ..ie before the elections. He said it will "take years to respond "(forget about comply ) . As stated before ,it's useless for Congress to hold him or Lerner in contempt because that would require an enforcement means that the Justice Dept won't provide . Short of cutting funds to the IRS (a congressional prerogative ) there is little that the House can do to reign in the administration. Meanwhile they are feverishly writing code that would make their illegal persecution of conservative and religious groups legal.
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    Mar 29, 2014, 09:21 AM
    persecution
    It's (a) complex.
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    Mar 29, 2014, 09:39 AM
    The 2nd Article of Impeachment of Richard Nixon was his using the IRS as a weapon against his political opponents. Emperor Barak Millhouse Obama should keep that in mind.
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    Mar 29, 2014, 03:59 PM
    Tom, I think draining a couple of swamps isn't the answer. Probably a clean up of the entire landscape is in order.

    Having said that we know it will never happen, so I guess we just treat it as just another day.
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    Mar 29, 2014, 04:05 PM
    I think they have decided that draining the swamp is not the answer and so they have resorted to moving mountains in order to stop the water flowing to the swamps, thus the swamp will be extended and noone can rise above the mire
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    #28

    Mar 29, 2014, 04:07 PM
    It was the dems turn to be caught riding dirty. You had your turn, and no doubt will have another.

    Potential 2016 GOP candidates court mega donor Adelson during Vegas weekend | Fox News
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    Mar 29, 2014, 06:31 PM
    with the exception of Scott Walker ,that's a veritable rogues gallery. And Adelson wants to bankroll Repubic insiders who the Repubic establishment favors .
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    Mar 29, 2014, 06:37 PM
    How fitting a casino owner after losing big in 2012, is ready to roll the dice again.
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    Mar 29, 2014, 09:55 PM
    once a gambler, always a gambler
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    Mar 30, 2014, 02:21 AM
    the Dems never make a stink about the money George Soros has "invested " in their cause. While they bemoan the influence of money in politics they ignore the fact that the Koch Bros and Adelson are pikers compared to Soros when it comes to direct spending on campaigns ,and financing think tanks ,PACs and 527s .
    Most everywhere Soros, his foundations or his investing have gone, trouble has followed. He's helped foment revolutions, undermined national currencies and funded radicals around the world. Soros has been convicted of insider dealing in France and fined $3 million, fined another $2 million in his native Hungary. His “foundations have been accused of shielding spies and breaking currency laws” and his investing strategy has been targeted for harming several national currencies.....
    While his charitable giving goes to liberal organizations with close ties to the Democratic Party, his political giving goes almost entirely to Democrats.
    That's not the story the broadcast networks have been telling about Soros for the past five years. There were 29 mentions of Soros during that time but only one gave any hint at trouble, and that was merely to mention he was “still known as the man who broke the Bank of England.” But ABC followed it up with: “That was all legal.” Only a sex scandal with a 28-year-old Brazilian actress gave Soros any negative publicity at all.
    Special Report: George Soros: Godfather of the Left | Media Research Center

    he vastly outspent the libertarian Koch Brothers in individual political donations 8 to 1.
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    Mar 30, 2014, 03:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    the Dems never make a stink about the money George Soros has "invested " in their cause. While they bemoan the influence of money in politics they ignore the fact that the Koch Bros and Adelson are pikers compared to Soros when it comes to direct spending on campaigns ,and financing think tanks ,PACs and 527s .

    Special Report: George Soros: Godfather of the Left | Media Research Center


    Tom, how about you be one of the first to face up to the actual problems that plague your political system rather than concentrating on the faults of particular individuals. For example,why does this system allow or promote such behaviour?

    These sort of posts are just a ongoing exercise in futility. Why? Well, as you correctly point out, nothing ever gets done about it.
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    Mar 30, 2014, 04:15 AM
    They are not interested in fixing anything, just in posting to their echo chamber. A sad life indeed.
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    Mar 30, 2014, 04:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    They are not interested in fixing anything, just in posting to their echo chamber.
    Unfortunately, I am starting to think you are correct.
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    #36

    Mar 30, 2014, 05:04 AM
    term limits ... I've offered that up a number of times. campaign donations are not the problem. As is often the case ,the left thinks the only solution is for the taxpayer to foot the bill .

    Maybe I am being more open about corruption in our system than you are in yours ? I think so. I don't do a lot of research into your nations ,but a quick glance shows me that some of your gvt ministers can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar either (Eddie Obeid and Ian Macdonald) ;and there are corrupt relationships between pols and business too (Leighton Holdings kickbacks ;or the Australian Wheat Board kickbacks ) .
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    Mar 30, 2014, 05:54 AM
    Tom it's not hard; term limits as you say, limits on campaign donations, elections funded by government, but the snouts have been in the trough too long. people go into politics to become rich. You know Tom nations and empires come and go and the reasons are all the same
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    #38

    Mar 30, 2014, 06:22 AM
    , elections funded by government
    you mean the taxpayer . I have never checked the box where I can give a dollar of my taxes for campaigns and I never will.
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    #39

    Mar 30, 2014, 06:45 AM
    If billionaires like Adelson want to waste money on candidates let them. Ie ;he spend 93 million dollars in a lost cause supporting Romney .
    Ultimately it's the politician's responsibility to be free of corruption. It doesn't help when the Justice Dept lets someone like Reid off the hook. Frog marching him would send a powerful message.
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    #40

    Mar 30, 2014, 07:26 AM
    campaign donations are not the problem.
    Yes they are. Open your eyes.

    Ultimately it's the politician's responsibility to be free of corruption.
    That leaves the door wide open for all manner of scoundrels ... and that is what you have.

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