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Mar 3, 2014, 08:50 AM
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He's thinking about hundreds of thousands of stoners on the highways .
Nah, he wants them on his bullet train. Speaking of trains, a “spiffy-looking" light-rail train in St. Paul ran off the tracks just hours after Obama praised it.
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Mar 3, 2014, 08:57 AM
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Hello again,
Hickenlooper didn't support pot legalization either.. The people DID it anyway. California will follow.
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Mar 3, 2014, 11:41 AM
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FREE and freely elected Dem. Rep Karen Bass wants you to know that Hollywood just may be able to get America past its 200 year denial of slavery. Huh?
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Mar 5, 2014, 08:24 AM
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Dem fighting to keep his Senate seat which " has been in his family for a total of three decades" accuses his opponent of having "a sense of entitlement" to the seat because he served in the military.
Can a Democrat Still Get Elected in Arkansas? - NBC News
The quick rise has won him an attack ad from Pryor, who says that Cotton has "blind ambition" and a sense of entitlement that will turn voters off, even considering his military background.
"There's a lot of people in the Senate that didn't serve in the military," Pryor told NBC News. "Obviously in the Senate we have all types of different people, all kinds of different folks that have come from all types of different backgrounds—and I think that's part of that sense of entitlement that he gives off is that, almost like, I served my country, let me into the Senate. But that's not how it works in Arkansas."
The irony.
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Mar 5, 2014, 08:48 AM
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 Originally Posted by speechlesstx
FREE and freely elected Dem. Rep Karen Bass wants you to know that Hollywood just may be able to get America past its 200 year denial of slavery. Huh?
Proof you need absolutely no education or common sense to get elected to office.
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Mar 5, 2014, 09:21 AM
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Mar 5, 2014, 09:43 AM
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So much for hope and change as repubs are scared of their own plans.
House GOP tax plan runs into resistance in Senate | WashingtonExaminer.com
But Camp is expected to answer those tough questions Wednesday, when he unveils his plan. He is betting that the promise of lower rates and a simpler tax system will shield House Republicans from attacks for proposing to cut popular deductions, credits and exemptions.
Democrats and tax experts question whether Camp can reduce the top income tax rate to 25 percent without touching some of the most popular tax breaks. Among the largest tax breaks for individuals: exemptions for retirement contributions and employer-sponsored health plans, and deductions for owning a home and paying a mortgage.
Corporate America has been a big backer of tax reform, arguing that the 35 percent tax rate on most corporate income is the highest in the industrialized world. However, few corporations pay the top rate because the tax code is filled with tax breaks that many businesses are gearing up to defend.
LOL, not surprised the GOP defending corporations who don't even pay the high tax rate. I can see where they wouldn't want voters to be distracted by this BS. Heaven forbid they pay ANY taxes on all those profits.
Reform? I don't think so!!
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Mar 5, 2014, 10:01 AM
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Warren Buffet and George Soros don't pay the high rates the left expects businesses to pay.
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Mar 5, 2014, 10:06 AM
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 Originally Posted by smoothy
Warren Buffet and George Soros don't pay the high rates the left expects businesses to pay.
Few of them do but they all should don't you think?
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Mar 5, 2014, 10:08 AM
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Flat tax with ZERO deductions or credits would ensure EVERYONE pays the same percentage of their income no matter how much or little they make... which is the only FAIR way to do it.
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Mar 6, 2014, 08:30 PM
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Do you think 20% is fair for the rich?, do you think 20% is fair for the poor. The fact is it doesn't matter much to one and it matters a lot to the other. This is why your argument fails. For the poor no rate of tax is "fair". If you want to debate some other rate let's hear it. A better idea is to have a supertax on accumulated wealth, if you don't spend it it gets taxed, that would move some money around, same with wealth after death tax it heavily so it is vested before death in relatives who can use it
What is needed is to remove all the loopholes and tax havens, remove all the deductions and sweetheart deals so that what is earned is clearly stated and taxed. The only "fair" tax is a consumption tax not an income tax, the more you spend the more you pay and if you applied it to corporations then you would pay down your debt very quickly, of course, you would have to deal with the cash economy first so it has to be applied to movement of funds
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Mar 6, 2014, 08:37 PM
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What's fair is everyone pays the same percentage of their income... period.
Being lazy should not be rewarded.. and working harder than average should not be punished...
Fair is everyone being treated equally... which means everyone paying the same percentage.
If thats not fair enough...I think Liberals should pay a much higher percentage than conservatives because they feel entitled to more stuff...and that stuff needs to be paid for somehow.
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Mar 6, 2014, 09:10 PM
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you have almost grasped the principle but you see it isn't the poor who complain about better roads and bigger bridges, they don't need the super highways for expensive fast cars and quicker transit to airports, nor do the poor need another aircraft carrier since they would be as well off under one regime as another, but the rich on the other hand...no, conservatives should pay more because they have more to lose call it insurance ot simply protection. If you haven't worked it out yet taxation is a protection racket and each gets something out of it
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Mar 7, 2014, 06:01 AM
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 Originally Posted by paraclete
you have almost grasped the principle but you see it isn't the poor who complain about better roads and bigger bridges, they don't need the super highways for expensive fast cars and quicker transit to airports, nor do the poor need another aircraft carrier since they would be as well off under one regime as another, but the rich on the other hand...no, conservatives should pay more because they have more to lose call it insurance ot simply protection. If you haven't worked it out yet taxation is a protection racket and each gets something out of it
Maybe not in Australia... but here the poor tend to live further away from the centers of employment and as such depend MORE on those roads and bridges than the wealthy.
Liberals HERE are the ones that think the government should give them everything... SO that same group should be taxed at a far higher rate than everyone else to pay for that "stuff".
Whats fair is if you want "stuff" you get off your butt and work to pay for that "stuff". If you want more than you can pay for...you get a second job or work overtime. Or you do what responsible people do....live within your means.
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Mar 7, 2014, 06:51 AM
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Well said by an old duff who got in the system when it was easy and jobs were all over the place. That's no longer the case. Technology has made many people obsolete, and retraining is expensive. You leave out the 40/50/60 year old who lost a job and home the last 5 years, who had a life within there means and adjustments to that dilemma takes years.
The issue is still JOBS. Just ain't enough.
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Mar 7, 2014, 07:13 AM
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Throw out the 20 to 30 million illegals here that are working... and you have 20 or 30 million jobs instantly. Few of them require much in the way of skills.
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Mar 7, 2014, 08:29 AM
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What jobs do you mean?
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Mar 7, 2014, 08:34 AM
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THey actually work all kinds of jobs... they don't all wash dishes, work in McDonalds and mow lawns.
A LOT of them work construction and about every industry you can think of.
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Mar 7, 2014, 08:37 AM
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Then I have to ask how an illegal can get a job, and an American cannot? Especially at the numbers you ascribe them too.
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Mar 7, 2014, 09:07 AM
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I didn't dream those numbers up... The current administration claims there are that many. Nobody has claimed there are not that many...not the Republicans and not the Democrats either.
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