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Feb 18, 2014, 07:43 AM
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Feb 18, 2014, 07:51 AM
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So a Wikipedia-like site and some blogger blame it on fracking but your original article is more accurate, "Meanwhile, scientists have been left scratching their heads over the quakes, which are becoming more frequent each day."
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Feb 18, 2014, 08:08 AM
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Wastewater Injection Spurred Biggest Earthquake Yet, Says Study | Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Scientists have linked a rising number of quakes in normally calm parts of Arkansas, Texas, Ohio and Colorado to below-ground injection. In the last four years, the number of quakes in the middle of the United States jumped 11-fold from the three decades prior, the authors of the Geology study estimate. Last year, a group at the U.S. Geological Survey also attributed a remarkable rise in small- to mid-size quakes in the region to humans. The risk is serious enough that the National Academy of Sciences, in a report last year called for further research to “understand, limit and respond” to induced seismic events. Despite these studies, wastewater injection continues near the Oklahoma earthquakes.
Barnett Shale: UPDATE: Chesapeake disputes SMU research about earthquakes
Where have you been the last few years?
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Feb 18, 2014, 08:21 AM
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I've been hanging out in a place loaded with energy activity where I've never felt an earthquake.
In the past several years, some energy technologies that inject or extract fluid from the Earth, such as oil and gas development and geothermal energy development, have been found or suspected to cause seismic events, drawing heightened public attention. Although only a very small fraction of injection and extraction activities among the hundreds of thousands of energy development sites in the United States have induced seismicity at levels noticeable to the public, understanding the potential for inducing felt seismic events and for limiting their occurrence and impacts is desirable for state and federal agencies, industry, and the public at large. To better understand, limit, and respond to induced seismic events, work is needed to build robust prediction models, to assess potential hazards, and to help relevant agencies coordinate to address them.
- Research has provided a better understanding of the factors that induce seismicity. Although existing faults and fractures are generally stable, changes in subsurface pore pressure, for example due to the injection or extraction of fluid from Earth's subsurface, may change the crustal stresses acting on a nearby fault and induce a seismic event. Net fluid balance appears to have the most direct correlation to the magnitude of induced seismic events, thus, energy technology projects that maintain a balance between the amount of fluid injected and the amount withdrawn may induce fewer felt seismic events than technologies that do not maintain balance.
- Although the general mechanisms that create induced seismic events are well understood, scientists are currently unable to accurately predict the magnitude or occurrence of such events due to the lack of comprehensive data on the complex natural rock systems at particular energy development sites. Predictions of induced seismicity at specific energy development sites will continue to rely on both theoretical modeling, and data and observations from measurements made in the field.
- Of all the energy-related injection and extraction activities conducted in the United States, only a very small fraction have induced seismicity at levels noticeable to the public (that is, above magnitude 2.0). Different energy technologies typically use different injection rates and pressures, fluid volumes, and injection duration—factors that affect the likelihood and magnitude of an induced earthquake.
- Geothermal energy—the use of heat from the Earth as an energy source—usually attempts to maintain a balance between fluid volumes extracted for energy production and those replaced by injection, which reduces the potential for induced seismicity. However, site-specific characteristics can make a difference. For example, the high-pressure hydraulic fracturing undertaken to produce geothermal energy from hot, dry rocks has caused seismic events that are large enough to be felt.
- Conventional oil and gas development extracts oil, gas, and water from pore spaces in rocks in subsurface reservoirs. Incidences of felt induced seismicity from conventional oil and gas development appear to be very rare.
- Shale formations may contain oil, gas, and/or liquids. Shales have very low permeability that prevent these fluids from easily flowing into a well bore, and so wells may be drilled horizontally and hydraulically fractured to allow hydrocarbons to flow up the well bore. Hydraulic fracturing to date has been confirmed as the cause for small, felt seismic events at one location in the world. The process of hydraulic fracturing a well as presently implemented for shale gas recovery does not pose a high risk for inducing felt seismic events.
- Tens of thousands of waste water disposal wells have been drilled in the United States to dispose of the water generated by geothermal and oil and gas production operations, including shale gas production. Water injection for disposal has been suspected or determined a likely cause for induced seismicity at approximately 8 sites in the past several decades. However, the long-term effects of increasing the number of waste water disposal wells on the potential for induced seismicity are unknown, and wells used only for waste water disposal usually do not undergo detailed geologic review prior to injection, in contrast to wells for enhanced oil recovery and secondary recovery.
What was that, 1 site had noticeable seismic activity from fracking and 8 from wastewater injection? What is that statistically?
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Feb 18, 2014, 08:42 AM
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If it happens to your house, what is that statistically? Constant earth tremors are just statistics huh? Okay. 200 earth quakes of 2.5 is rare and nothing to worry about? Okay.
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Feb 18, 2014, 08:48 AM
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It's a valid question, do you want to deal with it?
Face it Tal, the fear-mongering is unfounded and unsupported by the facts - just as Obama blaming global warming for the Central California drought is unsupported by the facts. You expect us to be happy with soaring energy prices over the fear of a statistical possibility near zero and pay through the nose for food because of man-made drought to save a minnow. No wonder your side believes astrology is science.
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Feb 18, 2014, 08:55 AM
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So are you saying the earthquakes aren't enough to worry about? Okay.
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Feb 18, 2014, 09:19 AM
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No, I don't worry about earthquakes at all. That's what troubles you lefties, all your irrational fear-mongering doesn't have us trembling and begging for you to rescue us. You guys can live in fear if you want, but leave us alone.
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Feb 18, 2014, 09:38 AM
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The mayor of Azle is scared and so are his constituents with cracks in their homes, as are residents in Oklahoma. But what do they know, just leave them alone too huh? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkay!
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Feb 18, 2014, 10:00 AM
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Oh the drama. No of course I don't care that Azle residents are worried about earthquakes. I also hate gays, blacks, women and kick puppies every chance I get.
"I'd say it certainly looks very possible that the earthquakes are related to injection wells," he said in an interview from Austin.
Frolich notes, however, that thousands of such wells have operated in Texas for decades, with no quakes anywhere near them. He adds that there are probably a thousand unknown faults beneath Texas.
Your own sources keep giving us reason not jump headlong into a panic over fracking and injection, when are you going to take the hint?
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Feb 18, 2014, 10:05 AM
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We could just stop drilling/injecting where the earth shakes until we know better. Since they are such a small part of the energy equation. What's wrong with that?
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Feb 18, 2014, 10:16 AM
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I am all about safety, but that doesn't require a knee-jerk reaction.
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Feb 18, 2014, 10:21 AM
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Stop drilling if the ground is shaking. Not a hard concept to embrace, no matter the condition of your knees.
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Feb 18, 2014, 10:46 AM
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The problem is your side says "don't do it period" because there MIGHT be an almost zero possibility of an earthquake somewhere. We can't finish a pipeline that would be safer than trucks, trains and barges because there MIGHT be a leak some day. That's where your knees jerk.
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Feb 18, 2014, 01:59 PM
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there needs to be a seismic shift in your thinking Tom, stop thinking of reasons not to implement carbon reduction strategies, volcanos also cause siesmic shifts
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Feb 19, 2014, 11:18 AM
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no my point is valid . Tal is the one doing the chicken little act about earthquakes in areas where there is fracking . He completely ignores earthquakes that have been tied to 'environmental-friendly ' energy .
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Feb 19, 2014, 05:55 PM
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There are a lot of unintended consequences of all energy production and most of them cannot be dealt with without complete cessation of activity and perhaps not even then. There are few renewable technologies that don't have consequences somewhere. What we need to do is responsibably manage risk and not exploit resources that have unexpectable levels of risk. Shale oil is one industry that does have unacceptable levels of risk, If the Canadians want to export it let them build a pipeline across the Rockies or to Hudson Bay or some such and it you want to export your product then build the pipeline or not but do so for real not imagined reasons
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Feb 19, 2014, 06:11 PM
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Law allowing Keystone pipeline in Nebraska struck down
Dave Domina, the lawyer who handled the case for the landowners, said in a statement that the ruling is "not about the merits of any pipeline in particular" but is instead "a landowner rights case."
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Feb 19, 2014, 06:13 PM
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yeh we know the not in our backyard syndrome
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