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    #261

    Jan 9, 2014, 04:28 PM
    We could always let Walmart's develop the neighborhoods since they get millions in local tax breaks, and wages are subsidized by welfare.
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    #262

    Jan 9, 2014, 04:48 PM
    yeh Walmart as social welfare
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    #263

    Jan 9, 2014, 05:58 PM
    Walmart and Obama do have something in common, they both look out for their own interests. At least Walmart gets results that make a difference in people's lives, Obama just looks out for himself whatever the cost. This is just political BS.
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    #264

    Jan 9, 2014, 06:04 PM
    This is just political BS.
    well of course it is, another recycled program, pick it up, dust it off, give it another name, government and politics was ever so. there are no new ideas, just variations on a theme
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    #265

    Jan 10, 2014, 08:45 AM
    Another example of Dems looking out purely for their own interests instead of those of the people they serve. The Senate was close to a bipartisan deal to extend unemployment benefits until Harry Reid, as is his MO, blocked Republicans from adding any amendments to the bill.

    WASHINGTON — What was shaping up to be a humdrum day on Capitol Hill turned into a firestorm as Majority Leader Harry Reid proposed his own plan to extend unemployment benefits and effectively blocked Republicans from having further say in the matter.

    After several days of debate over how to pass a three-month extension of the Emergency Unemployment Compensation program, Reid side-stepped negotiations with Republicans and offered a plan of his own to extend benefits through mid-November. In doing so he used a procedural tactic known as “filling the tree” to block Republicans from proposing any further amendments.


    When Reid said at a Thursday afternoon press conference he was “cautiously optimistic,” that a long-term deal would soon be announced, what he came up with isn’t what Republicans had in mind.


    “Sen. Reid announced today that he will obstruct ALL [sic] Republican amendments,” Don Stewart, a spokesman for Mitch McConnell, told BuzzFeed in an email. “It’s a real challenge to find a bipartisan accomplishment when one person shuts out the entire side of the aisle.”


    “This is crassly political,” Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said. “They want to have something to talk about on the Sunday morning programs.”
    More of that unprecedented era of bipartisanship Obama was going to usher in. This is not something you guys want resolved, admit it. You want to use it as a hammer for the mid-terms and that's despicable. B*tch and moan about those good-for-nothing Republicans and how they hate everyone while making damn sure nothing gets done.
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    Jan 10, 2014, 09:19 AM
    The main republican amendment was to delay Obama Care for a year and that was your boy Mitch's idea. Past performance is pretty clear propose many amendments, delay a vote, then vote NO!! Since we know you think those people with no jobs are lazy bums anyway, even though they are older people who have worked and still looking for work, and who paid into the system when they did work.

    It's a waste of time talking to you guys and we know that. You want out of work people to pay for help, but who pays for tax breaks for rich guys? Giving up health care for insurance benefits is your idea of fair? Of course it is.
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    #267

    Jan 10, 2014, 09:35 AM
    The main republican amendment was to delay Obama Care for a year and that was your boy Mitch's idea. Past performance is pretty clear propose many amendments, delay a vote, then vote NO!!
    You have no evidence for that other than Dingy the liar's "suggestion".

    He suggested the Republicans wanted to offer a slew of amendments to "do nothing but whack ObamaCare."
    Just like he "suggested" Romney was a tax cheat.

    Since we know you think those people with no jobs are lazy bums anyway, even though they are older people who have worked and still looking for work, and who paid into the system when they did work.
    Stop putting words in my mouth that have no basis in reality. There are those who work the system yes, but you'd have to be a complete moron to honestly believe that endless UI benefits doesn't create incentives to remain unemployed.

    t's a waste of time talking to you guys and we know that. You want out of work people to pay for help, but who pays for tax breaks for rich guys? Giving up health care for insurance benefits is your idea of fair? Of course it is.
    Talking to liberals about their hypocrisy is also a waste of time. You need a mirror, dude. You don't get to b*tch at me about do-nothing Republicans while your guys consistently shut them out. You don't get to b*cth at me about Republicans not caring about people while your guys are using them as political pawns. Time to grow up and get a spine, Tal.
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    Jan 10, 2014, 01:38 PM
    QUOTE by speechlesstx;
    You have no evidence for that other than Dingy the liar's "suggestion".
    He said it on TV I saw it from Mitch's own mouth.

    Just like he "suggested" Romney was a tax cheat.
    Romney I last years news and he pays less taxes than you do, and hides his profits all over the world, tax free. Yes its legal. Harry and his republican fellow senator from Nevada have some the nations highest unemployment rate, and want to extend unemployment benefits.

    Stop putting words in my mouth that have no basis in reality. There are those who work the system yes, but you'd have to be a complete moron to honestly believe that endless UI benefits doesn't create incentives to remain unemployed.
    You say endless, I say emergency since there are not enough jobs. You do know anyone claiming UI benefits is required to look for work and show proof don't you? Those that don't know that are the morons.

    Talking to liberals about their hypocrisy is also a waste of time. You need a mirror, dude. You don't get to b*tch at me about do-nothing Republicans while your guys consistently shut them out. You don't get to b*cth at me about Republicans not caring about people while your guys are using them as political pawns. Time to grow up and get a spine, Tal.
    Wake up, because I will always have enough spine to push back strongly against the BS of your false right wing narrative. Count on it.
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    #269

    Jan 10, 2014, 02:21 PM
    So something McConnell said in what, 2010 is relevant to the UI debate? What does Dingy have to fear from Republicans offering amendments for a vote? Is killing the filibuster and having a majority to kill any amendment he doesn't like not enough, he has to obstruct them from even offering a say, too? Geez Tal, this is not a dictatorship as much as you'd like it to be. The rest of your rant is just so much pablum.

    Like I said, you don't get to b*tch at me about do-nothing Republicans while your guys consistently shut them out. You don't get to b*tch at me about Republicans not caring about people while your guys are using them as political pawns without being called on it. You know damn well Reid wants this to stall so he can use it to batter Republicans even though he's the one doing the obstructing, and that does nothing to help those people you pretend to care about. That's a fact, Jack.
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    #270

    Jan 10, 2014, 03:04 PM
    Tal doesn't think that unemployment benefits (now a form of welfare ) should be paid for . Just add it to the debt ...no biggie. Yes ,then we need another CR before the 2014 budget resolution is ready to meet the Jan 15 deadline.

    But Sen. Kelly Ayotte has a simple solution to pay for it. All they need to do is crack down on a tax credit program in which illegal immigrants have fraudulently collected billions of dollars in improper payments. Stop the fraud ...extend the benefits. It's simple ...anyone collecting benefits from the Additional Child Tax Credit must supply a Social Security number in order to collect the money. The Dems don't like it.
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    #271

    Jan 10, 2014, 03:17 PM
    So something McConnell said in what, 2010 is relevant to the UI debate?
    He said it on the senate floor after the cloture vote... 3 days ago!! No wonder you can't keep up.
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    #272

    Jan 10, 2014, 03:20 PM
    You do know another cloture vote after the debate is coming don't you? 60 votes.
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    #273

    Jan 10, 2014, 03:51 PM
    He said it on the senate floor after the cloture vote... 3 days ago!! No wonder you can't keep up.
    Said what, Jack? Give me the quote, the link, the video.

    I repeat, what does Dingy have to fear from Republicans offering amendments for a vote? Is killing the filibuster and having a majority to kill any amendment he doesn't like not enough, he has to obstruct them from even offering a say, too? Geez Tal, this is not a dictatorship as much as you'd like it to be.

    I think tom is onto the problem, besides planning on using it hypocritically to bash Republicans the Dems don't want the voters to see any common sense suggestions such as how to pay for it by clamping down on fraud.
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    #274

    Jan 10, 2014, 04:12 PM
    When you finally come to the conclusion that the filibuster has outlived its usefulness you will devise a system where amendments can be heard and voted on without obstructing the business of the senate
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    #275

    Jan 10, 2014, 04:15 PM
    The Real Reason Unemployment Talks Collapsed In The Senate

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) was pushing hard to offer an amendment that pays for a revival of emergency jobless benefits by delaying Obamacare's unpopular individual mandate for one year (which is projected to save money by reducing Obamacare subsidies and Medicaid outlays, as well as raise insurance premiums). The move was aimed at whipping up fodder for GOP Senate candidates to attack Democrats in the November congressional elections, where the Republicans hope to take back the majority.
    Mitch McConnell Attempts To Hold Unemployment Benefits Hostage For Obamacare Delay | ThinkProgress

    “I'd like to propose that… my side be allowed to offer an amendment to pay for these benefits by lifting the burden of Obamacare's individual mandate for one year, and take care of our veterans who were harmed by the recently agreed to budget deal while we are at it, in the same amendment,” the Kentucky lawmaker said.
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    #276

    Jan 10, 2014, 04:38 PM
    nahh . Reid doesn't want unemployment benefits tied to restoring cuts in veterans' pensions .The Dems talk a big game about bipartisan solutions ;but bipartisanship is only demanded of the Repubics. Imagine.... unemployment extensions tied to restoring Vets benefits and eliminating fraud . Too much on the plate for the Dems who will do anything to keep the illegal alien constituency in their pocket. As Madame Mimi said ......“We’re all on the same page in passing unemployment insurance. We don’t think it should be paid for.”
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    #277

    Jan 10, 2014, 05:25 PM
    Let the people who made 'em unemployed pay for it. Jobless workers who want to work have paid enough.
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    #278

    Jan 10, 2014, 05:33 PM
    and besides ;umemployment payouts create jobs... bwaaahaaaahaaaahaaaaa !!!!!
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    #279

    Jan 10, 2014, 05:37 PM
    And republicans don't create job.
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    #280

    Jan 10, 2014, 06:10 PM
    Democrats create unemployed.

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