[tomder55]

I didn't compare them ;you did. But that was one of many sources I could've used for what I wrote.
I could've just as easily used NPR if that makes the story more legit for ya.
Consulate Attack Preplanned, Libya's President Says : NPR

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

So, right wing rags like the Free Beacon is gospel, whereas a left leaner is not to be taken seriously... I got it. I really understand.

I'm STILL blown away that you compared that blog to the NY Times.

excon

I don't recall having ever used the Free Beacon as gospel for anything but I'd give at least a little more credibility to an outfit that actually does journalism than one dedicated to a "progressive narrative."

There is no governor saying "their uninsured don't need any help", that's just one of those progressive narratives.

[speechlesstx]

Speaking of progressive narratives, the WH responded to Sotomayor's injunction.

“We defer to the Department of Justice on litigation matters, but remain confident that our final rules strike the balance of providing women with free contraceptive coverage while preventing non-profit religious employers with religious objections to contraceptive coverage from having to contract, arrange, pay, or refer for such coverage,” a White House official said. …

In other words, "even though we've extended all manner of exemptions and accommodations to our preferred interests to cover our own a$$es, this is all the CYA you're going to get so shut the hell up and like it."

Or as Politico put it, the Messiah said "the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulations are fair — and they don’t really hurt the Denver-based religious organization that got a temporary New Year’s Eve reprieve from Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor."

Because as we all know they know more about remaining true to one's faith than a bunch of silly old nuns, and anyway "that damned constitution doesn't' matter anyway."

Read more: White House stands by birth-control rule - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

[tomder55]

I see they are still going with the false progressive narrative that it's "free" contraceptives.

[tomder55]

I'm shocked.....shocked !!! (would use the sarcasm font if I could figure out how to do it)
headline ....Study: Expanding Medicaid doesn’t reduce ER trips. It increases them

The research, published Thursday in the journal Science, showed a 40 percent increase in emergency department visits among those low-income adults in Oregon who gained Medicaid coverage in 2008 through a state lottery. This runs counter to some health-care law supporters' hope that Medicaid coverage would decrease this type of costly medical care, by making it easier for low income adults to see primary care providers

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Study: Expanding Medicaid doesn't reduce ER trips. It increases them.

....when Congress was debating the Affordable Care Act in 2009, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius cited the high number of uninsured Americans being seen at the emergency department as a reason to pass the law“Our health care system has forced too many uninsured Americans to depend on the emergency room for the care they need,” she said in a July 2009 statement. “We cannot wait for reform that gives all Americans the high-quality, affordable care they need and helps prevent illnesses from turning into emergencies.”

[speechlesstx]

That's a no brainer, doctors don't accept Medicaid as it is because it doesn't pay squat. I've already said in this regional medical Mecca there is only one doctor that will see my daughter for her rectal cancer. So people think they'll get a doctor and don't so they flood the ERs.

[smearcase]

Is it because they are too lazy to set up an appt. or because they don't have a family physician because they can't find one that will accept them as a patient? And some specialists won't accept a patient without a referral (over and above whether or not the insurer requires a referral) and every specialist I have had to contact in my region is already booked up for at least two months and it has been that way for several years. The only reason the rest of us (with standard insurance) don't go to the ER is because our insurer will punish us. Are serious conditions being found as a result of those ER visits or follow up to those ER visits? Call your Dr's office now (or some other time when the office is closed) and the recording will most likely tell you to call 911 or got to the ER. Or call your Dr. tomorrow during business hours and they will probably tell you the same thing.

[speechlesstx]

I failed to say my wife works for a billing company also, no one wants to accept Medicaid because it doesn't pay squat. It's largely an issue of limited providers who will accept it. You have to get served in the ER. My daughter has a primary care physician through district clinic but beyond her regular appointments she can only get in as a walk in on Monday and Friday, the only other option is the ER. Been living that nightmare with her for the last 3 weeks, now she's in the hospital.

[speechlesstx]

Fyi, this should put to rest the "progressive narrative" that Republican Governors are a$$holes for not expanding Medicaid, but I know facts are irrelevant to progressives including the fact that expanding the program does nothing to improve health outcomes.

[paraclete]

who's health outcomes? Got to improve someones. it is the cost he complains of

[tomder55]

yes it was one of the biggest fictions of the progressive narrative that expanding coverage would reduce costs.

[paraclete]

nothing the medical profession ever does reduces costs and the insurers are happy to accomodate them, they can increase premiums

[tomder55]

one thing I'm looking for the GOP to do is pass 'The No Bailout for Insurance Companies Act of 2014' (repealing sec 1341 and 1342 of the ACA....part of the bill that had to be passed 1st before we found out what is in it ) .
will they do it ? probably not. That kicks in if there is a so called 'adverse selection' ie. the invincibles don't sign up ;but as is occurring ,a higher percentage of Medicaid eligible people sign up.40% of the new enrollees had to be young and healthy for the Obamcare math to add up.
This wasn't going to be a problem because of all the mandates that are now being eliminated piecemeal by the emperor. So sec 1341 and 1342 insured the insurance companies with a 'reinsurance fund ,and "risk corridor" provision that mandates a major taxpayer payout covering up to 80% of insurance-company losses.

We are closer to the death spiral now than anyone likes to admit . Massive increases in premiums to cover for the imbalance will force even more healthy people to opt out . That's when the bailouts come into play.
The insurance companies are willing accomplices in the Obamacare scheme and should not be spared the consequences. Let the insurance companies bail out . Then Obamcare collapses . Can't wait to see the Dems vote against a bill that ends a bail out for another fat cat industry .

[paraclete]

ah the joys of legislature

[speechlesstx]

Landmark study shatters liberal health care claims | Mobile Washington Examiner

[talaniman]

Specifically, researchers found that those who received Medicaid increased their annual health care spending by $1,172, or 35 percent more than those who did not receive Medicaid. Those with Medicaid were more likely to be screened for diabetes and use diabetes medication and to make use of other preventive care measures. The study also examined health metrics including blood pressure and cholesterol.

Ultimately, the authors concluded that, “This randomized, controlled study showed that Medicaid coverage generated no significant improvements in measured health outcomes in the first two years, but it did increase use of health services, raise rates of diabetes detection and management, lower rates of depression, and reduce financial strain.”

So, the study suggests that expanding Medicaid is one way of reducing financial pressure on low-income groups, but it's costly and does not improve their health.

Getting diabetes and blood pressure detected and under control and managed is not a good health outcome?

[excon]

Hello again,

Bummer. I was WRONG. Obamacare is WORKING. It's the LAW, and it's DOING what it's supposed to do. In 5 years, MOST of the nation will be freed from the fear of dying on the street, or going bankrupt if you get sick.

Of course, we'll be hearing about it from the right wing, EVEN as they enjoy their new benefits too.

Yaaaaaaawn.

excon

[speechlesstx]

You should get out more, ex. People who thought they had insurance are getting turned away, or told they'll have to pay the full cost of treatment which is likely anyway since their deductible is 5 grand, on top of their new monthly premium. The wailing and gnashing of teeth is just beginning.

'They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!': At Virginia hospitals, Obamacare confusion reigns as frustrated patients walk out | Mail Online

[talaniman]

They'll figure it out, they aren't stupid.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I didn't say it wasn't without glitches, and isn't in need of tweaking.. I said it was WORKING. I said it's the LAW of the land, NEVER to be repealed. I said it's DOING what it's supposed to do, and it IS.

It's the BIGGEST piece of progressive legislation in a GENERATION, and Obama will go down in history as the one who made it happen. THAT'S why you hate it, and that's why you'll ALWAYS hate it.

But, it's OVER. You LOST.

excon