[tomder55]

Hello again,tom:
Obamacare did NOTHING to control rising prices. Personally, I wouldn't buy a policy that didn't pay the doctors bills. Who would? Therefore, doctors will CONTINUE to make jillions and a few jillion more. So will big pharma and so will medical manufacturers.

Oh, that's right. You think Obama is running ALL of it. Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Try to keep up . I'm talking about doctors who refuse to take on more Medicaid patients ,the shortage of doctors who will accept new Medicaid patients ,and how expanding the numbers of Medicaid eligible will make that situation worse. You say you wouldn't buy a policy that did not pay doctors bills and I tell you that Medicaid frequently shorts the doctors who treat Medicaid patients.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Try to keep up . I'm talking about doctors who refuse to take on more Medicaid patients ,

Couple things.

Your wealthy doctor can move his practice to Beverly Hills. They don't have many Medicaid patients there. But, when the cost curve is bending DOWNWARD (that's for you, Steve), he either accepts what the market is paying, or he goes broke.

You make it sound like there isn't going to be MILLIONS of doctors treating WELL insured people, and making LOTS of bread. Oh, that's right. You think Obamacare has TAKEN OVER healthcare..

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

[talaniman]

So you and doctors are mad because the government doesn't pay enough, fast enough, Tom, and Speech is mad because they charge him too much.

Lets start with you can't afford a doctor without insurance, and you can't afford insurance without a job. A decent job that makes you self sufficient.

Rising costs and fewer decent jobs are but a symptom of a greater problem. I have always said for years that a lack of money circulated on a broader scale is the root cause of our economic failures. I mean when they turned off the trickle and jacked up the prices what did you think would happen? NO MO Money.

[tomder55]

No doubt the emperor's solution will be a executive order or some Federal or blue state legislative and bureaucratic fix like forcing doctors to accept Medicaid patients or lose their license . It's a progressive dream come true ......create a shortage, then regulate it.

[talaniman]

Wow Tom, that was your best conspiracy theory yet. Or is that a scandal? Or are you just throwing rocks again this fine morning? Or just hollering about the sky is falling? I just can't tell with you guys any more.

[tomder55]

then you tell me how you plan on getting around the fact that doctors have been dropping Medicaid eligible patients for a long time now ;and now Obamacare is making Medicaid eligible to millions more people ? It don't add up .And don't tell me your side aint above such a tactic. They already force state licensed pharmacists to sell abortion pills against their will.

[talaniman]

So less doctors for the poor people is a reason NOT to give them a chance to find a doctor? If your religion stops you from serving customers, then why do the pharmacies hire them? Why do they carry products that can't be served to customers?

Maybe we should change the law for licensing pharmacist. If you can't sell the products a company sells to customers, you shouldn't work there. I think that's what you tell to people who don't like what the benefits a boss offers, go somewhere else.

[speechlesstx]

Obviously Tal believes the only right that's sacred is the right to abortion. Meanwhile the NY Times recognizes the problem with expanding the Medicaid roles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/us...lls.html?_r=1&

[tomder55]

Tomorrow the fix is in . Question..... will the number of newly insured relative to the number of previously insured losing coverage could be ...ahem .... "disproportionate" ?
http://www.capalphadc.com/wp-content...e-11-29-13.pdf

[paraclete]

all I see is someone saying there is no contingency plan except maybe extending existing coverage

[talaniman]

The Supreme Court says woman have the right to an abortion, not me. Roe v Wade.

[paraclete]

So Tal do you think women should have rights to abortion, the one question that those who want abortions should be asked, should you have been aborted?

[talaniman]

Should a man tell a woman what to do with her body? Only if she ASKS for his opinion. The law is the law. Get enough votes, it can be changed, modified, or repealed.

[speechlesstx]

So you do agree you shouldn't be forcing your choices on us.

[talaniman]

The law is the law. Get enough votes, it can be changed, modified, or repealed.

That's the way it's done here, don't like it... go to China. Show me where you have a right to be above the law, no matter how many guns you buy.

Its amazing how you hate Obama Care, but love not having to worry about being kicked off your insurance policy, or for family people everybody is covered to age 26. You love not having lifetime caps on coverage when you or your family need it the most, when you are sick.

You would give that up for you and your kids? And show me a TParty person who hates Social Security, and Medicare? (socialist programs) Tell your mom to take a voucher instead of have Medicare, and get her own insurance and supplements on the private markets.

She will kick your tail, and ground you for life.

[speechlesstx]

Interesting how any time we mention you forcing your choices on us you pivot another direction replete with red herrings. And please, stop grandstanding about the law. This regime has set the example that the law is whatever he deems it to be at the moment. In fact, reality is whatever the emperor deems it to be, Obama spoke it and thus it was so. He's preparing to declare the website goal had been met, just because.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...7cc_story.html

[talaniman]

Obama isn'tthe government,congress can act,but they haven't,and being outvoted is NOT forcing anything down your throat.

Trust me, if dems can survive the republican presidents, you repubs can survive dem presidents. Contrary to your fear, America will thrive and survive too.

[speechlesstx]

Obviously your respect for the law depends on the circumstances, too

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Obviously your respect for the law depends on the circumstances, too

Not me. I have NO respect for the law, across the board, PERIOD!!

Fool me once, it's on you. Fool me twice, it's on whatever Bush said it was. But, he was RIGHT. Once you start locking people up and throwing away the key for NOTHING, you lost me. Until you FIX it, I'll STAY lost.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Obamacare May Be Dangerous to Your Health