[tomder55]

Simply Tom I do research when I feel it is necessary, not to refute your arguments. Problem is you have to be even handed, there is nothing to suggest India is anymore reasonable than Pakistan and Iran may prove to be more reasonable than both of them when the contention no longer exists. The fact is you have used sanctions to hurt Iran in the same way you hurt Iraq and look where that got you. Are you sure you are not just a saudi toady? I'm sure Iran was happy you wiped out their old enemy for them

Has the Indian leaders spoken in apocalyptic terms about ushering in the chaos that will lead to a return of a cult leader ? Has India ever threatened to use their nukes to wipe out another country off the face of the earth ? Silly moral equivalence.

[paraclete]

Has the Indian leaders spoken in apocalyptic terms about ushering in the chaos that will lead to a return of a cult leader ? Has India ever threatened to use their nukes to wipe out another country off the face of the earth ? Silly moral equivalence.

why did India acquire a nuclear deterrent? Who threated them? was it China or Pakistan? India acquired nuclear weapons before Pakistan but after China. The possession of nuclear weapons is the result of paranoia, not any form of moral equivalence. Would Iran feel threated by another nuclear armed state? They certainly destroyed Iragi capability and yet I can understand Iran wanting nuclear capability when it is surrounded by nuclear states, Israel, Russia, Pakistan and at greater distance China and the US, the latter of whom has a somewhat belligerent attitude towards Iran

[tomder55]

Would Iran feel threated by another nuclear armed state?

They are the aggressors ,and the emperor did a Neville Chamberlain imitation.

[paraclete]

There are a lot of aggressors in this world. It will be interesting to see if the US matchs aircraft carrier for aircraft carrier in the East China Sea.

I can't deny the rhetoric of Ahamadjihad but he is no longer speaking for Iran, while he was president there was far too much aggression and it achieved nothing, just as US sanctions achieved nothing. These are different days and perhaps BO recognises that. We should welcome a lessening of tensions in the Gulf afterall there may be more than we can handle in the East China Sea

[paraclete]

hey Tom here's what a fellow american says about the ACA

ACA badly implemented but still good for America (column) - The York Daily Record

Now I can understand that people in some states see it differently but this piece is written by a person nearby facing the same set of difficulties you are, so Tom how come he sees it differently?. I know, he is not listening to republican bulldust

[tomder55]

This op ed was written by someone in York Pa. which is close to Gettysburg. She gripes about Gov. Corbett ,but I applaud his responsible actions regarding the Medicaid scam .
The rest of her rant is typical progressive pablum. Tal does a much better job of it .

[cdad]

hey Tom here's what a fellow american says about the ACA

ACA badly implemented but still good for America (column) - The York Daily Record

Now I can understand that people in some states see it differently but this piece is written by a person nearby facing the same set of difficulties you are, so Tom how come he sees it differently?. I know, he is not listening to republican bulldust

You do realize that the person that wrote it has no connection to reality and is only spouting the party line. Just look at what they are writing. They make claims that don't exist. They tell lies to support their position. Maybe that is why they don't sound like Tom. Or anyone that actually looks at what is going on filtered with facts and reality.

[speechlesstx]

Would Iran feel threated by another nuclear armed state?

Would Israel nuke Iran to protect itself?

[talaniman]

hey Tom here's what a fellow american says about the ACA

ACA badly implemented but still good for America (column) - The York Daily Record

Now I can understand that people in some states see it differently but this piece is written by a person nearby facing the same set of difficulties you are, so Tom how come he sees it differently?. I know, he is not listening to republican bulldust

Excellent Clete, but was telling was how my right wing friends resorted to name calling and denial instead of with facts. They have non, and its no excuse to be for exclusion, rather than inclusion. They try to redefine their BS but it's still BS.

The broken free market is being exposed in almost every turn for what it is, greed and extraction and the failure of exclusive supply side economics.

[paraclete]

The broken free market is being exposed in almost every turn for what it is, greed and extraction and the failure of exclusive supply side economics.

Tal we didn't need another example of a broken market when this market was already broken before interference.

[talaniman]

A few benefit greatly from the broken market and pull no stops to stop anyone from fixing it.

[paraclete]

Yes Tal I said before you can blame the insurance industry and the lobbists for the mess

[tomder55]

lol as if the libs aren't in bed with them. This whole system was devised by the emperor and the Dem caucus . You think the insurance companies had any say ?

[talaniman]

Hell yes, as did big Pharma. with part D. None have lost money in the deals, quite the contrary.

The right wing has its facts WRONG! And they know it!

[tomder55]

There are a lot of aggressors in this world. It will be interesting to see if the US matchs aircraft carrier for aircraft carrier in the East China Sea.

I can't deny the rhetoric of Ahamadjihad but he is no longer speaking for Iran, while he was president there was far too much aggression and it achieved nothing, just as US sanctions achieved nothing. These are different days and perhaps BO recognises that. We should welcome a lessening of tensions in the Gulf afterall there may be more than we can handle in the East China Sea

Farsnews
Actually it's been the NORKS who have been doing R&D on the Iranian ballistic missile . Don't worry ,they are only developing ICBMs for peaceful purpose.

[paraclete]

Farsnews
Actually it's been the NORKS who have been doing R&D on the Iranian ballistic missile . Don't worry ,they are only developing ICBMs for peaceful purpose.

I seem to recall there are other uses for missile technology than ICBM. In any case Iran isn't interested in bombing the US so they don't need an ICBM. It seems only peaceful nations need ICBM, no doubt to grow pot plants on MARS.

Actually Tom North Korea has been remarkably silent since their last outburst. Ssshh! we don't want to wake them up while they work on their satellite technology

[tomder55]

Actually Tom North Korea has been remarkably silent since their last outburst. Ssshh! we don't want to wake them up while they work on their satellite technology

North Korea 'restarts' nuclear reactor, atomic watchdog warns | World news | theguardian.com

They function as R&D for Iran because Iran pays well.

[paraclete]

well someone got to do it

[tomder55]

Turns out the Geneva deal is about " trust " ....but don't verify .

In that sense, the interim deal is only important to the extent it helps to produce that ultimate, comprehensive agreement. Fortunately, the deal has real value as a confidence-building measure.

Simply put, the United States and Iran don't trust each other. That is understandable given how they have both behaved in the 34 years since the Islamic Revolution. Mistrust is so deeply rooted on both sides that it has often threatened to make any serious negotiations impossible.

What is most significant about the current deal is its potential to overcome that mutual mistrust.

Kenneth Pollack | The Nuclear Deal With Iran Was About Trust, Not Verification | Foreign Affairs

Former CIA chief Michael Hayden stated what has been clear since the deal was reached .....that the US conceded that Iran has a "right " to enrich uranium even as it violated every US and UN sanctions prohibiting it .
Former CIA head: U.S. has

[talaniman]

Nobody would care if they were just providing power, but the idea of a nuclear missile is scary. But you have to start somewhere and talking and working on a comprehensive agreement is better than rhetorical threats.

The sanctions worked, and they know it. How far the process can take us, is something we will see about.