[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

So how many years should my daughter get crappy healthcare so you can have another hybrid automobile?

Again, it's the WRONG question, and the WRONG conclusion... Whether your daughter gets better care or not, DOES NOT DEPEND on whether we invest in new technology. You COULD have blamed the joint strike fighter that nobody wants, as the reason for your daughters crappy health care, and that would have made NO sense either.

Plus, hybrids are NOT the holy grail that'll save the world. They are, but one, of MANY small steps we must make.

When I said EVERYTHING above, I meant everything.. You THINK us greenies want to DESTROY our standard of living, when actually we want to SAVE it. How is it that you don't understand that??? We ARE gonna run out of oil. If we DON'T have an alternative, our standard of living IS gonna CRASH, won't it??? What about this is so hard???

excon

[talaniman]

All the rich guys are somebody's crony or another. It's not a big circle. We should all be outraged about corporate welfare given we are outraged about the poor getting it. Of course your worship of the dollar precludes some from seeing the difference between eating, and making money for rich guys.

I know, who cares if a poor family fails in economic downturns, or a middle classer loses their jobs, as long as rich guys stay rich whether they fail, or NOT. Now you want to say it's okay for your rich guys to get what they can but not mine? Dude get a grip, I ain't got no rich guy. And yours ain't doing much better for you either. I bet though if you tie their taxes and welfare to unemployment rates here at home, they would live up to the title of job creator that YOU give them.

Call it incentive for economic development.

Swiss Rage Against CEO Pay Provokes Vote on Salary Limits - Businessweek

Interesting idea.

[speechlesstx]

Again, it's the WRONG question, and the WRONG conclusion... Whether your daughter gets better care or not, DOES NOT DEPEND on whether we invest in new technology.

Don't tell me what the right question is, I am not concerned about whether or not some Obama cronies get to make gazillions on yet another hybrid car or some rich liberal gets a shiny new hybrid sports car.. It's truly telling how you lefties whine about this very thing UNTIL it comes to your preferred industries and your cronies, at the expense of the very PEOPLE you b*tch about us not wanting to help.

I can find all manner of other wasteful spending to whine about so do we really need to go there? The market has already created your "solution" and has been selling them for years. If you want a plug-in hybrid luxury sports sedan build it yourself. The average Joe is never going to buy your damned Karmas and Volts so I fail to see how that's going to solve anything. If it were a reasonable investment for an affordable car, perhaps, but we have no business using taxpayer millions on status symbols.

[tomder55]

as for us ;we have a security agreement with Japan dating to 1960 that requires us to defend the territorial claim of the islands by the Japanese . The rest of the nations in and around the 1st island chain will watch to see if we honor our commitment . A different President would've already flown B1 bombers through their so called air defense identification zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea

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or some B-52s ...... ok I take it back kudos to the emperor for this move....
BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone

[paraclete]

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or some B-52s ...... ok I take it back kudos to the emperor for this move....
BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone

what ! he did exactly what you expected? he is more brainless that I thought, but then this is the sort of diplomacy we have come to expect from the US

[speechlesstx]

So keeping our agreement with our allies them is brainless?

[paraclete]

So keeping our agreement with our allies them is brainless?

there are ways of doing these things that don't include escalation, imposing a military presence before talking it out is backwards

[speechlesstx]

there are ways of doing these things that don't include escalation, imposing a military presence before talking it out is backwards

Did they talk it out before claiming air rights? I didn't think so.

[paraclete]

Did they talk it out before claiming air rights? I didn't think so.

I could well image that the US requres all aircraft approaching the US to identify themselves, how far that extends I don't know, but international standards suggest 200 miles is considered territorial waters where there is no other national presence. The Chinese didn't invent this

[speechlesstx]

I could well image that the US requres all aircraft approaching the US to identify themselves, how far that extends I don't know, but international standards suggest 200 miles is considered territorial waters where there is no other national presence. The Chinese didn't invent this

The islands are closer to Taiwan and they don't belong to China.

Ever since it incorporated the Senkaku Islands into Japanese territory through a Cabinet decision in 1895, the Japanese government has consistently taken the position that the islands are an integral part of the territory of Japan. This stance accords with both international law and the historical facts. The Senkaku have consistently been under Japan’s effective control, except for a period (from 1945 to 1972) when the islands were placed under the administration of the United States as part of Okinawa prefecture.

Before 1971, neither China nor Taiwan made any claims to “territorial sovereignty” over the Senkaku Islands. For 76 years, neither government expressed any objection to Japanese sovereignty over the islands.

Why the change in position? In the late 1960s, a UN agency, the Bangkok-based Economic Commission for Asia and the Far East (ECAFE), surveyed the waters around the Senkaku. The survey suggested potentially rich deposits of oil beneath the seabed. After the ECAFE released its findings, in 1971, the Republic of China (Taiwan) made its first territorial claim to the islands. Several months later the People’s Republic of China followed suit.

So, let’s review the history of the issue more carefully. For ten years starting 1885, Japan conducted field surveys on the Senkaku Islands, scrupulously confirming that the islands had never been inhabited and showed no traces of having been under the control of China’s Qing Dynasty.

Based on this research, the Japanese government decided in January 1895 to erect national territorial markers on the islands, officially incorporating the Senkaku Islands into the territory of Japan. This administrative action was consistent with international law, namely the internationally accepted legal theory of terra nullius (land belonging to no one) concerning the rights of acquisition through occupation.

The Historical Record

As the record shows, Japanese inhabited the Senkaku from 1895 until immediately before the start of World War II. Japanese people sometimes lived on the islands to harvest albatross feathers. During another period, a factory was built to process dried bonito. The population of one of the islands, Uotsuri, topped 200 at one point. In 1920, residents of Ishigaki Island, which was under the jurisdiction of Okinawa prefecture, rescued Chinese fishermen caught in a storm in waters near the Senkaku. The Consul of the Republic of China in Nagasaki sent a signed and sealed letter of appreciation for the rescue in the area of “the Senkaku Islands in the Yaeyama District of the Japanese Empire’s Okinawa Prefecture.” The letter cited the names of the residents of Ishigaki Island, whom the consul noted “were willing and generous in the rescue operation.”

Just over three years after the People’s Republic of China’s birth, a January 8, 1953 article in the People’s Daily, an organ of the Communist Party of China had the Senkaku as Japanese territory. A World Atlas published in China in 1960 showed the islands as part of Japan. According to notes taken at meetings of the Chinese government around 1950, copies of which were recently obtained exclusively by the Jiji Press news agency, Chinese government officials were using the Japanese name “Senkaku Islands,” indicating that they considered the Senkaku part of Okinawa prefecture.

[paraclete]

Nice research speech. So now there is a three way tustle for soverienty. I wonder it the islands have mineral riches why isn't anyone exploiting them, could it be they are once again terra nullius. In 1885 China was hardly in a position to argue with Japan, I think this is a Typoon in the china sea

[VincentMcFarley]

Hello, I think this post is ridiculous. Science has not advanced this far that it can control weather. Otherwise there would be no blockage from snow drifts in cold areas. These hurricanes were part of a natural phenomena; you can read more on how huricanes and typhoons are created through this site: Nature Essays | Researchomatic

[paraclete]

Hello Vincent thanks for bringing the thread back to the point. yes the arguments about whether we can control the weather are rediculous. If we have, by our actions, caused an imbalance, it will be a thousand years before we can redress that balance, but mankind is not reponsible for all of co2 emissions, so even if we stop now 60% still exist from volcanic activity, not to mention the possible impact of permafrost warming. We are fortunate that thus far ocean warming has helped to moderate the effect. I think we should begin to focus on what can be done, not what cannot be done. population is a huge factor in this. Continued population growth undos any effort we might make. if we don't take control of population the planet will do it for us

[tomder55]

ah yes the Malthusian solution .it always comes back to humans need to be controlled by the big benevolent nanny state .

[tomder55]

Nice research speech. So now there is a three way tustle for soverienty. I wonder it the islands have mineral riches why isn't anyone exploiting them, could it be they are once again terra nullius. In 1885 China was hardly in a position to argue with Japan, I think this is a Typoon in the china sea

Asia is on the cusp of a full-blown arms race. The escalating clash between China and almost all its neighbours in the Pacific has reached a threshold.......
The Senkaku islands offer a perfect opportunity for Beijing to test the resolve of the Obama Administration since it is far from clear to the war-weary American people why they should risk conflict in Asia over these uninhabited rocks near Taiwan, and since it also far from clear whether President Obama's Asian Pivot is much more than a rhetorical flourish.

Besides, Beijing has just watched the US throw its long-time ally Saudi Arabia under a bus over Iran. It has watched Moscow score an alleged victory over Washington in Syria. You and I may think it is an error to infer too much US weakness from these incidents, but that is irrelevant. Beijing seems to be drawing its own conclusions.

China-Japan rearmament is Keynesian stimulus, if it doesn't go horribly wrong – Telegraph Blogs

[tomder55]

You and I may think it is an error to infer too much US weakness from these incidents, but that is irrelevant. Beijing seems to be drawing its own conclusions.

Sorta like the Cuban Missile crisis that happened after Khrushchev smacked down Kennedy at the Vienna Conference 1961. It speaks loudly about the perils of appearing weak ,when you hold the upper hand.

Kudos the the Aussies who summoned the Chinese ambassador and telling China that “the timing and the manner of China's announcement are unhelpful in light of current regional tensions, and will not contribute to regional stability.”

“Australia has made clear its opposition to any coercive or unilateral actions to change the status quo in the East China Sea,” said Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.

Criticism of China's ADIZ increases; Japanese airlines do a policy U-turn | The Japan Times

[paraclete]

Kudos the the Aussies who summoned the Chinese ambassador and telling China that “the timing and the manner of China’s announcement are unhelpful in light of current regional tensions, and will not contribute to regional stability.”

Criticism of China's ADIZ increases; Japanese airlines do a policy U-turn | The Japan Times

Kudos doesn't get you better relations Tom, we are in two diplomatic storms now and both because we supported you. We must all assume China has weighed the risks and has decided that one aircraft carrier is enough to hold back the americans

[paraclete]

ah yes the Malthusian solution .it always comes back to humans need to be controlled by the big benevolent nanny state .

who said anything about the nanny state, the advent of television had great impact on population growth in the west, it will help as it spreads in developing countries. We do need to recognise that food supply will become an issue as it has been in northern Africa and may even be in north america. Climate change brings with it the spread of disease as well as the problems of migration. If we don't arrest population growth the next century will see great conflict and enforced solutions

[talaniman]

Don't worry about the Chinese, they have their own issues which makes them a bit surly. Let me know when you get a good solution to people breeding.

[paraclete]

do tell