[talaniman]

Single payer is like prevailing wages, when we get it, you'll take it. And as the numbers grow on the enrollment, you will take that too. Personally, a couple of dems up for re election hollering like repubs, don't impress me.

[tomder55]

Single payer is like prevailing wages, when we get it, you'll take it. And as the numbers grow on the enrollment, you will take that too. Personally, a couple of dems up for re election hollering like repubs, don't impress me.

it ought to when it comes from a leading Democrat Senator from the bluest state in the nation.

[speechlesstx]

Single payer is like prevailing wages, when we get it, you'll take it. And as the numbers grow on the enrollment, you will take that too. Personally, a couple of dems up for re election hollering like repubs, don't impress me.

Tal, this is what irritates me the most about you libs, your arrogance in thinking you know what's best for us and what we want. Mind your own business, it's what you holler about with us when it comes to abortion, you want your paws in every area of our lives BUT that. Leave us alone.

[Wondergirl]

it's what you holler about with us when it comes to abortion, you want your paws in every area of our lives BUT that. Leave us alone.

And the trans-vaginal ultrasound probe isn't someone's paw in MY (or my women friends') personal space? The closed women's health clinic "because it occasionally did an abortion" doesn't affect me (or my women friends)?

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Tal, this is what irritates me the most about you libs, your arrogance in thinking you know what's best for us and what we want.

Let's review, shall we?

Yes, when the Democrats have an IDEA, they write a bill, that if passed by both houses of congress and signed by the president, becomes LAW. That's how it WORKS here in the good ole US of A.

you want your paws in every area of our lives BUT that. Leave us alone.

Certainly WE don't want the restrictions on abortion that you right wingers are doing. Do you care??? LEAVE THOSE WOMEN ALONE!!!

excon

[speechlesstx]

Thank you both for validating my point.

[speechlesstx]

More whiners unhappy with losing the cheaper junk insurance they had, the City of Bel Aire, KS.

City Workers of Bel Aire, Kansas, Losing Health Care They Like

Today, Congressman Mike Pompeo, R-Kansas, released communications he received from Ty Lasher, the city manager of Bel Aire, Kansas, describing the terrible impact of the Affordable Care Act on city workers. Contrary to President Obama’s promise that “if you like your health-care plan, you can keep it,” the city manager of Bel Aire, Kansas, revealed that city's 30+ employees have just received notice that because of the Affordable Care Act, their current insurance will no longer be available. The text of the email is below:

“Bel Aire is a small city of approximately 7,000 residents. We have about 30 full-time employees and a number of part-time staff that are all very attached and dedicated to our organization. We just received notice that the health-insurance coverage employees receive through Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) is no longer available. Everyone liked that plan which had very good benefits.

“Now, BCBS offers other plans that we can choose from based on the government’s standards. All offer higher deductibles and the two closest to our old plan each cost more than what we were paying. In addition, because we are under 50 employees, we no longer get a ‘group’ rate so everyone is being judged as a single.

“We have some long-term employees who are older and seeing their rates double. We are also seeing families paying more based on the number of children they have. We had a couple of employees who worked 20 hours a week and the city still allowed them on our health coverage plan.

“Now, BCBS said they will not cover anyone unless they work more than 30 hours per week. Therefore, those part-time employees will now lose their health coverage. To top it off, we were told if more than 25% of our ineligible employees choose to go elsewhere for their insurance, they will drop us, and all of our employees will have to go to the insurance exchange.

“As you are probably aware, governments typically pay a lower wage in exchange for better benefits. Now, our health insurance benefits are being eroded which may lead to a larger turnover in employees.”

Lasher continued: “I simply wanted you to know the pain this is causing me and my staff in losing the terrific health coverage we had through Blue Cross Blue Shield in exchange for worse coverage at a higher price. As you know, it is difficult to present dedicated employees with declining health coverage with a higher premium.”

Congressman Pompeo, who sits on the House Energy and Commerce Committee which oversees the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, has been an outspoken critic of the law and its execution. During a recent hearing, he clashed with former Kansas Governor and current HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius over the claim that some insurance that people had and liked was not “true insurance.”

[tomder55]

The emperor just again unilaterally changed the law. Aren't you glad the constitution gives the Presidency such power ?
Now we can keep those 'substandard plans ' for a year . Of course now millions of cancellation notices have already been sent out . So now it's up to the insurance companies to reinstitute policies that the emperor forced them to discontinue ,so they can discontinue them again in a year . And they have a month to get this done.

[talaniman]

He gave you what you have been screaming about, Still you scream.

You holler about the sky falling, and you holler about it not falling. If there were no sky to holler about, you would holler anyway.

[tomder55]

A one year reprieve is not what I was "screaming " for . That's a joke ,a blame shift ,and a cya for his cronies in Congress who are screaming about their electoral prospects
(and not their constitutents prospects ) .

[tomder55]

line of the speech ..... there is no doubt that the way I put that forward unequivocally ended up not being accurate ... that's poli-speak for 'I lied ' .

[tomder55]

My expectation was that for 98% of the American people, either it wouldn't change at all or they'd be pleasantly surprised. That's another the way I put that forward unequivocally ended up not being accurate (lie) . Still that means he knowingly swindled 2% of the people (over 6 million) . Bernie Madoff step aside . There's a new champ in town.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

There's a new champ in town.

DOWN goes Obama, but he springs up and lands a crushing blow to the temple. There's hope yet for Obamacare.

Don't measure the drapes yet, Mrs. Cruz.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:
DOWN goes Obama, but he springs up and lands a crushing blow to the temple. There's hope yet for Obamacare.

Don't measure the drapes yet, Mrs. Cruz.

excon

Until people figure out it doesn't work. You know, you've still pi$$ed off the rest of us with insurance we liked that had to be changed, got more expensive, gave us fewer choices in providers. Businesses have been switching plans already because they had to, it's not going to revert to last year's plan and you're still going to see the sick folks sign up while the healthy guys you need aren't going to. Nice going, champ..

[tomder55]

I keep on finding gems .... I get how upsetting this could be especially after hearing assurances from me

[speechlesstx]

I keep on finding gems .... I get how upsetting this could be especially after hearing assurances from me

The Obama-ized version of "I feel your pain."

[tomder55]

Until people figure out it doesn't work. You know, you've still pi$$ed off the rest of us with insurance we liked that had to be changed, got more expensive, gave us fewer choices in providers. Businesses have been switching plans already because they had to, it's not going to revert to last year's plan and you're still going to see the sick folks sign up while the healthy guys you need aren't going to. Nice going, champ..

Changing the rules after health plans have already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers. Premiums have already been set for next year based on an assumption of when consumers will be transitioning to the new marketplace. If due to these changes fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase coverage in the exchange, premiums will increase in the marketplace and there will be fewer choices for consumers. Additional steps must be taken to stabilize the marketplace and mitigate the adverse impact on consumers -

AHIP Statement on Consumers Keeping Their Current Coverage | AHIP Coverage

[speechlesstx]

AHIP Statement on Consumers Keeping Their Current Coverage | AHIP Coverage

Yes sir, he's undermining his own plan.

And then there's this, The Liar is still considering giving unions preferred treatment. I won't hold my breath waiting for any of The Liar's supporters to scream about the inequality in that.

Republican senators sent a letter on Wednesday urging the administration not to go ahead with a regulation that would exempt unions from an Obamacare fee that applies to employers, charities, and faith-based organizations.

The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) published a regulation that exempts union health plans from the reinsurance fee that comes along with Obamacare on Oct. 30.

Senior members of committees with key oversight roles concerning the health care system, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R. Tenn.), Sen. Orin Hatch (R., Utah), and Sen. John Thune (R. S.D.), along with eighteen other Republican senators wrote that the regulation makes no justification for why union members should receive special treatment.

“The [reinsurance] fee is undeniably expensive for unions, employers, charities and faith-based organizations whose health plans are not available in the new health insurance exchanges and will not see any of those dollars returned to them. For the year 2014, the fee is $63 per covered life—a multi-million dollar levy for larger organizations. […]

The regulation makes no justification as to why union members should be exempted from this fee while other similarly situated organizations (and, ultimately, their beneficiaries) must continue to pay it.

It has been widely reported that labor unions recently sought an exemption from the reinsurance fee through Congress but were rightly rebuffed. To think that the Obama Administration would consider such an action that benefits one group over another can only be characterized as cronyism at its worst.”

[tomder55]

To think that the Obama Administration would consider such an action that benefits one group over another can only be characterized as cronyism at its worst.”

so much for that equity canard.

[Tuttyd]

so much for that equity canard.

Strange isn't it? Less, strange is the fact that both sides do it. That is to say, politicians working to promote the interests of one group in society over another.

Equity will stop being a canard when a way is found to break that particular mindset. The mindset that says that, equity in economic terms is the same as all other types of equity.