[speechlesstx]

The regime is getting ready to lie to us again, does anyone see a pattern here yet?

When the Obama administration releases health law enrollment figures later this week, though, it will use a more expansive definition. It will count people who have purchased a plan as well as those who have a plan sitting in their online shopping cart but have not yet paid.

I have a couple of things in my Amazon shopping cart. Do they count that as a sale?

[talaniman]

It's a potential sale. And you know as well as I do that what's in your cart may get you discounts and free shipping as an inducement to buy. And that's a lousy analogy.

Here's mine. 30 days after a government shutdown that failed to repeal, or delay it, you have shifted the hollering to the rollout that's barely a month old. You holler about the rain that's coming instead helping get the clothes off the line. I tell you the same thing my mom would have told me, "Shut the hell up, and get them clothes inside before it rains".

If you spent as much time and energy helping and fixing as you do hollering, repealing, and delaying and spreading gloom, and doom until the next election, we could have gotten a comprehensive jobs bill, instead of 43 repeal votes and a shutdown. No good paying jobs is still the underlying problem to most of our issues as a nation.

[speechlesstx]

Wow, there is no deception too blatant, no scandal too obvious, no disaster too disastrous for you to take on the regime. Admit it Tal, that's bullsh*t. A "potential sale" is not an enrollee, period. I guarantee they don't count "potential" humans as people but they should because the baby is in the cart.

[talaniman]

Educate poor females as rich ones, and we take the baby out of the cart. Just seeing a doctor twice a year does that too. Too bad we need insurance to accomplish that goal.

[speechlesstx]

That was a total dodge.

[speechlesstx]

[aliseaodo]

I got a notice alerting me that on January 1st, 2014 my dental benefits will go down 20%...not 'go down' as in cost to me, but 'go down' as in I will have less dental benefits available to me and my dependents...not a good thing..

[speechlesstx]

Exactly.

[tomder55]

The emperor doesn't have to run again. But all the Dems are beginning to panic. I think within the week there will be enough support for one of the Repubic 'keep your insurance acts '.
Dianne Feinstein joins push to keep health plans - Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com

More Than 1M Californians Notified Health Insurance Will Be Cancelled « CBS Sacramento

[speechlesstx]

That doesn't make sense, why would Dems panic when everyone is getting much better insurance for a lot more money?

[talaniman]

Boggles my mind that insurance companies would even offer the plans that they knew they would have to cancel in the first place. But a few red state dems is hardly a panic by the whole party.

[tomder55]

Feinstein is a blue state Dem?

[speechlesstx]

Boggles my mind that insurance companies would even offer the plans that they knew they would have to cancel in the first place. But a few red state dems is hardly a panic by the whole party.

Boggles my mind that you endorse the regime selling a lie.

[talaniman]

4 out of 51? Yeah that's a huge consensus and to be fair may grow, but a fix may be in the works for those by my estimate will be about 4 million who may end up adversely affected and many of those already have had their policies extended and that extension could well go further voluntarily by the companies themselves.

So for some the changes in the new law will be delayed, just not to the extent republican will ever be happy with. But aren't you guys glad that its moving to be fixed? Naw, you still want to throw 30 million under the bus.

[speechlesstx]

If perhaps you went about it in a way that would have helped the uninsured without hosing the rest of us and with a little bipartisan effort we wouldn't be so pi$$ed, but what you gave us is an unmitigated disaster based on lies.

Small Business and ObamaCare
A new survey shows that employers will drop coverage and cut hours.

Nov. 12, 2013 7:04 p.m. ET
One of President Obama's proudest boasts about the Affordable Care Act is that it helps small business. The White House website says the health law "makes it easier for businesses to find better coverage options" and "stops insurance companies from taking advantage of you, giving the consumer and business owner more control and making health-care coverage more affordable." Small businesses aren't buying it.

That's the finding of a Public Opinion Strategies survey of more than 400 business owners with between 40 and 500 employees conducted in September and October for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and International Franchise Association. Some 64% of small business franchise owners (such as owners of fast food and retail stores) believe the law will have a "negative impact" on their business, while only 5% expect a "positive impact." For non-franchise businesses the ratio was 53% negative and 12% positive. Only one in 12 agree with the President that the health-care law will "help" their business.

Even more problematic is how businesses are already responding to the new law. The White House continues to deny any relationship between hiring and ObamaCare. The poll finds 27% of franchise businesses and 12% of non-franchises have already replaced full-time with part-time employees in anticipation of the law's employer mandate. ObamaCare defines a full-time employee as someone who works 30 hours or more a week.

The survey also reveals that the "49er" effect is very real. These are businesses that will cap their full-time payroll workforce at 49 employees to avoid ObamaCare's insurance mandate for companies with more than 50 full-time equivalent workers. Of firms with between 40 and 70 employees, a little over half say they are likely to "make personnel decisions to keep" their "workforce below the threshold of 50 full-time employees and avoid the requirements and penalties associated with the new health care law."

More than one in four businesses (28%) say that in 2015, when the employer mandate is scheduled to take full effect, it is "likely" they will drop their insurance coverage and pay the penalty of $2,000 a year per employee. These are the plans employers and employees were promised they would be able to keep.

Opinion surveys are often unreliable predictors of how people will act in the future, but these findings do at least expose the widespread anxiety that businesses are feeling about ObamaCare's new costs. If the economy and business conditions improve and customer demand rises, employers may swallow these costs to expand their operations. But in an economy with nearly 20 million Americans out of work, discouraged from even looking for work or forced into part-time jobs, ObamaCare is making the search for employment all the more challenging.

One fix that might mitigate some of these negative employment effects would be to pass a law proposed by Senators Joe Donnelly (D., Ind.) and Susan Collins (R., Maine) to change ObamaCare's definition of a full-time job to 40 from 30 hours a week. Better still would be for Congress to repeal the law and pass a business and worker-friendly health-care reform.

[talaniman]

Opinion surveys are often unreliable predictors of how people will act in the future, but these findings do at least expose the widespread anxiety that businesses are feeling about ObamaCare's new costs. If the economy and business conditions improve and customer demand rises, employers may swallow these costs to expand their operations. But in an economy with nearly 20 million Americans out of work, discouraged from even looking for work or forced into part-time jobs, ObamaCare is making the search for employment all the more challenging.

Business decisions based on feelings and not data are often severely flawed and as pointed out in your article, business is already skittish with the economy as it is. I don't believe downgrading the workers hours is the answer, and an upgrade would be better, and what's more telling is still the talk of repeal and never talk of upgrading to universal heath care for everyone no matter age or income, and would make all this hollering and fixing unnecessary.

Funny how you guys take that option off the table and fall back on repeal, with no reforms. I am just glad some are finally proposing ideas to fix the glitches that comes up. When you do repeal it, how do you tell your mom or other elders they have to go back to the donut hole?

Or 15 million people who are the working poor and cannot get coverage in their state, Texas being one example where one of every four people cannot get care even with the cut rate clinics you so proudly say is enough. Obviously they are NOT adequate enough, and neither is the efforts of charities which more and more have become for profit corporations.

How you ignore those things is beyond me but not unexpected. And I hear the TParty wants to give the Atlanta Braves 450 million bucks for a new stadium that's smaller than the one they have already and is less than a decade old. Right wingers holler broke only when it suits them. Go ahead keep hollering for the needs of the few while you deny and lie about the needs of the many.

[speechlesstx]

Well that was totally predictable. Talk about ignoring the obvious...

[tomder55]

and what's more telling is still the talk of repeal and never talk of upgrading to universal heath care for everyone

Yup I'll never talk about universal health care because that 's just a dog whistle for socialized ,top down ,state controlled ,and managed ,takeover of the health care industry .

[speechlesstx]

I'm for universal wealth care. Make it happen, Tal.

[talaniman]

Slowdown will ya! I am still trying to poke the rich guys in the a$$ with a sharp stick, and start circulating that money they STOLE back into the economy. Its not easy because you guys keep getting in the way. Its really hard to tell their a$$ from yours, the hollering sounds the same.